Guppysnail Aquarium Journal

[Brandon p]

@Odd Duck @Guppysnail it took 10 mins 

scitechnol which is where the study is published is not reputable and preys on people online. This study likely never to place but was culled from some real peer-review papers and some opinions that could have been thought true. Scitecbnol lists of peers as Facebook viewer. Science has a slim definition of peer reviewed. I like both of you and have great insight so I hope that we can move on. 

[Guppysnail]

On 10/3/2021 at 10:47 PM, Brandon p said:

@Odd Duck @Guppysnail it took 10 mins 

scitechnol which is where the study is published is not reputable and preys on people online. This study likely never to place but was culled from some real peer-review papers and some opinions that could have been thought true. Scitecbnol lists of peers as Facebook viewer. Science has a slim definition of peer reviewed. I like both of you and have great insight so I hope that we can move on. 

Thank you this was a good thing. I now have @Odd Duck outline to refer to so I can determine if what I am reading is bogus 😁

[Brandon p]

On 10/3/2021 at 10:50 PM, Guppysnail said:

Thank you this was a good thing. I now have @Odd Duck outline to refer to so I can determine if what I am reading is bogus 😁

There are so many fakes that in the 2000’s professors didn’t know how to used them. Even the best of us make mistakes and you are one of the best. 

[Guppysnail]

On 10/3/2021 at 10:53 PM, Brandon p said:

There are so many fakes that in the 2000’s professors didn’t know how to used them. Even the best of us make mistakes and you are one of the best. 

Aww thanks but I like to be a student 😁

[ChemBob]

I realize I'm a bit late to the battery power, but I use the Anker battery banks for extended outages to power the USB air pumps. The middle sized packs will last several days powering 1 or 2 USB air pumps. I don't worry about the heaters, as I'm in Louisiana, and typically I have the opposite problem if we lose power where I'm trying to cool the tanks. Though this winter showed I cam have the cold issue as well. We got fortunate here and only lost power for a few hours during a couple rolling blackouts. 

[ChemBob]

Oh, one more piece of info. I don't leave the power banks connected to the pumps. I swap the pumps over to the batteries when necessary then back to normal power afterwards. 

[Guppysnail]

On 10/4/2021 at 8:25 AM, ChemBob said:

Oh, one more piece of info. I don't leave the power banks connected to the pumps. I swap the pumps over to the batteries when necessary then back to normal power afterwards. 

I use these sab 11 battery backups with  coop nanos to hold over or for short outages or longer ones on lighter stocked tanks. Longer ones on the pleco tanks I plug the canisters into a generator.  I’m loving the quitness of the coop nano though because the sab sounds like a rocket x 7 is deafening. I will also look into the Anker thank you. 

[GameCzar]

We haven't had the power outage problem yet, but its coming.  I live on the Gulf Coast, and we get hurricanes and heavy storms.   
So far I just have a couple of 10000mAh backups to run 4 nano pumps, I could possibly split the air from each pump giving some bubbles to 8 tanks.   Could probably use another backup unit. 

[Torrey]

On 10/3/2021 at 11:26 AM, Odd Duck said:

Sorry, @Guppysnail, nothing at all against you, but that study is horrible and bizarre.  Everybody brace yourselves, I’m about to jump on a soapbox, here, and point out everything, well, most of the reasons, for what’s wrong and bizarre about this report.

There are no controls for the study:  no control group of any kind, no group where they just moved the cories to clean water from the water with the toxin, no mention of how the cories were triggered to cause the self poisoning, a bizarre and incomplete discussion of how to make the garlic extract with zero discussion about the concentration of garlic extract produced, no mention that it can cause liver failure (although it does mention potential anemia although that hasn’t been proven in fish, to my knowledge, only the liver failure has been proven), no mention why they decided that garlic extract should be used or could work other than it’s been used as an appetite stimulant (what does that have to do with stopping a self poisoning episode?), and not even an accurate name for the species.  They also didn’t use cories that hadn’t been self poisoned and use the garlic treatment on them to see if it caused cardiac arrest.  That might have at least made the study worth something.  As it stands, it tells us nothing useful since we don’t have any subjects that got any different treatment than the study group.  Without controls, this information tells us absolutely nothing.

They were also randomly talking about how albino cories are made blind by being injected by red dye.  I’ve never seen albino cories injected by red dye and it seemed to imply their eyes were injected to cause the blindness.  I’ve also never seen a blind albino cory unless its eyes were injured somehow.  They also talked about doing CPR on the cories that were self poisoned because their hearts stopped while in the garlic solution.  Really doesn’t seem like the garlic was all that helpful.

I can’t believe this study was even accepted for publication!  It’s incredibly poorly written, very limited data collected, contains false information, it’s a poor hypothesis with absolutely no data to support their idea that this treatment might work, didn’t even consider that just providing clean water away from the toxin might be the real reason for the recovery, and an absolutely bizarre description of doing CPR in the poor cories after they determined there was cardiac arrest.  No description of how they monitored the heart to determine there was cardiac arrest and believe me, that can be much harder than you might think in exotic animals.

Just all around bizarre and completely useless without any sort of control group as part of the study.  It would be like me deciding to smother children until they almost stopped breathing, then moving them into a tent filled with lavender aroma therapy, then deciding the lavender was the reason they all recovered when it was really the oxygen in the tent that saved them.  There is absolutely nothing that determines the garlic had anything to do with their recovery and it’s quite frankly embarrassing as a scientist that such a poor study like this made it into publication.

Edit to add that they even mention the albinos as a separate species in one spot then later state they are the same species as the C. aeneus.  A true scientist would never call an albino a separate species.  There are more than one species of cory that has an albino form and they mention nothing about how they determined that these were C. aeneus albinos.  Although they are the most common albino cory, they are not the only species of albino corys.  Another clue that this study is garbage science.

I am now in nerm heaven, and wish all the medical professionals I have been working with since the pandemic began would take the same time (and critical analysis) you just applied to explain what was wrong with this study.

[Odd Duck]

On 10/4/2021 at 3:42 PM, Torrey said:

I am now in nerm heaven, and wish all the medical professionals I have been working with since the pandemic began would take the same time (and critical analysis) you just applied to explain what was wrong with this study.

It is sad when medical professionals, who have been trained to read critically, fail to see the issues with studies and data that floats around the web.

I didn’t even dig into that study completely, just pointed out the biggest and most obvious flaws.  It makes me wonder why they bothered to try to disguise it as a study?

[Odd Duck]

On 10/4/2021 at 7:13 AM, ChemBob said:

I realize I'm a bit late to the battery power, but I use the Anker battery banks for extended outages to power the USB air pumps. The middle sized packs will last several days powering 1 or 2 USB air pumps. I don't worry about the heaters, as I'm in Louisiana, and typically I have the opposite problem if we lose power where I'm trying to cool the tanks. Though this winter showed I cam have the cold issue as well. We got fortunate here and only lost power for a few hours during a couple rolling blackouts. 

I’m semi-terrified we could have another Snowpocalypse like we had in February.  It really was awful for some people, but I was incredibly lucky.  I don’t want to count on pure luck again.

So UPS for now to power only air pumps/sponges.  Eventually, might do some solar panels with big battery banks to cover night time hours.  Plus I want to move my smaller tanks all into one room so I have a consolidated fish room and just the 100 G and 46 G bowfront tanks in the living room.  Then I can heat a single fish room with a small electric heater on our small generator and light the fireplace for the living room tanks if needed.

Very long term plan for a whole house generator in a new storage shed outside so we’d be covered no matter what as long as the house itself is intact.  If the house isn’t intact I’m not too likely to be worrying about fish at that point.  🤷🏻‍♀️

On 10/4/2021 at 7:25 AM, ChemBob said:

Oh, one more piece of info. I don't leave the power banks connected to the pumps. I swap the pumps over to the batteries when necessary then back to normal power afterwards. 

Except they need to start running air pumps if power is out while we are at work.

[Torrey]

On 10/4/2021 at 4:01 PM, Odd Duck said:

It is sad when medical professionals, who have been trained to read critically, fail to see the issues with studies and data that floats around the web.

I didn’t even dig into that study completely, just pointed out the biggest and most obvious flaws.  It makes me wonder why they bothered to try to disguise it as a study?

Same reason certain "research" paid for by a conflict of interest company, now have their own 'peer-reviewed journals without disclosing any conflicts of interests or conflicts of *peers* : to create the illusion of legitimacy. 🤷‍♂️

[Guppysnail]

On 10/5/2021 at 11:45 PM, Torrey said:

Same reason certain "research" paid for by a conflict of interest company, now have their own 'peer-reviewed journals without disclosing any conflicts of interests or conflicts of *peers* : to create the illusion of legitimacy. 🤷‍♂️

Now this I’m slightly familiar with it and irritates me to no end. 

[darkG]

The SciTechnol and siblings are indeed sketchy. I found this  summary: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can-I-trust-OMICS-iMedPub-Conference-Series-Allied-Academies-Pulsus-Trade-Sci-SciTechnol-and-EuroSciCon

The comment section - authors' perspective - is a pleasant read if you enjoy pain. 

I didn't know this existed. 

 

[Guppysnail]

On 10/6/2021 at 2:44 AM, darkG said:

The SciTechnol and siblings are indeed sketchy. I found this  summary: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can-I-trust-OMICS-iMedPub-Conference-Series-Allied-Academies-Pulsus-Trade-Sci-SciTechnol-and-EuroSciCon

The comment section - authors' perspective - is a pleasant read if you enjoy pain. 

I didn't know this existed. 

 

Thank you. I just read the main front page (lesson gratefully learned). I love this forum. Folks here have helped me on so many levels 😁. 

On 10/6/2021 at 2:44 AM, darkG said:

The SciTechnol and siblings are indeed sketchy. I found this  summary: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can-I-trust-OMICS-iMedPub-Conference-Series-Allied-Academies-Pulsus-Trade-Sci-SciTechnol-and-EuroSciCon

The comment section - authors' perspective - is a pleasant read if you enjoy pain. 

I didn't know this existed. 

 

Thank you. I just read the main front page (lesson gratefully learned). I love this forum. Folks here have helped me on so many levels 😁. 

[Guppysnail]

COOP NANO PUMP …you complete me 🥰

I hooked it up to another coop nano sponge in the funny tank since 1 nano sponge is not going to cut it when I put a couple bristlenose fry in there to grow out a bit  I can’t hear it! it’s not sitting on the floor  coupled with the idea from on here of adding the replacement pads to the ziss airstone……I don’t have errant bubbles 😁  

 

I looked into all these battery options.  I decided most were more than I need since hubby has the huge the generator.  I traveled so much for work I do not do travel vacations for retirement so I only need it to function in a power outage until I wake up and get the generator started.  I chose these battery packs but have some questions.  Hubby never used them either so how I think they work and how they actually work may be two different things. If I plug the brick into the wall then battery into the brick usb cord then the nano pump into the battery I think it should continue running during a power outage. Please confirm I’m correct or let me know it doesn’t work this way. I drew out my current setup(feel free to belly laugh at my artwork). I got 4 batteries to power 8 coop sponges.  I currently have 2 in each tank one running and one hooked to the sab battery one that comes on when the power goes out. This new setup with the awesome nano pump (just can’t say enough good stuff about these) will make it so I only have to have one sponge per tank freeing real estate 😁 current setup on left new on the right  I just ordered the batteries so they can go back if they do not work as I hope  

Thank you all fo all the battery input. Hubby is also thrilled at the reduced stress on the circuit breaker.  I’ll be thrilled with lower electric bills 🤩

Edited October 6, 2021 by Guppysnail

[Guppysnail]

Did I mention this opens outlets on my 2 power strips plugged into wall outlets in every outlet of 2 rooms?  Who knows what could now also be plugged in 😈

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Edited October 6, 2021 by Guppysnail

[Hobbit]

I LOVE the nano pumps!! Glad you are now a nano pump evangelist too. 😁

[Guppysnail]

The ar plants are here!

I kept looking at them and to get them near a light I decided to go with these with some gravel inside 

while netting guppies for the lfs I ripped apart the 29. Time for a trim anyway. I redid the center. My spider wood was screwed to slate until it sank. I noticed my panda Cory hung under the low branches so I unscrewed the slate and retied all the plants rather than cut them to provide a canopy for the panda. All this came from 1 bunch of 4 stems of ludwiga narrow leaf. There is also 3 pieces I had already put in another tank as well  

I got creative  I had a medium coop sponge but wanted a smaller footprint without losing the bb in the sponge or making the surface area smaller  so I used the insides to a nano and zip tied the medium sponge on it. This gives my pandas more room and the spider wood room to lay sideways (all in preparation for my nano pumps 🤣) Thank goodness it hidden because it is an eyesore but seems to work fine  stuff sticking to it already  

the tank does not look as lush but it will grow in. My guppies and pandas had the zoomies  in all the open space. So I think it was too overgrown.  They like it so I’m happy

I expect to lose a bit of the red until the ludwiga grows taller. The other plants are doing great but have not grown enough to place elsewhere. So they are still suctioned to the wall. 
I found another CPD that was clinging to the wall. They do this between the wiggles stage and free swim stage

I now know how my hubby feels when my random fish projects show up about the house  KARMA strikes…..a stink bug got in so I came out from doing the 29 to this on my dining room wall 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫

Babies are getting huge!

HAPPY ADVENTURES…TRY SOMETHING NEW (JUST NOT IN THE DINING ROOM🤣)

Edited October 6, 2021 by Guppysnail

[Streetwise]

Cool stuff, @Guppysnail! FYI, Amazon links are fine in the forum.

[Atitagain]

Everything looks great the babies, guppies, CPD, all your plants, I like those suction cup pots I remember seeing them a while back I had forgotten about them (updates the wish list) and great ingenuity with the sponge filter.

[Torrey]

On 10/6/2021 at 4:37 PM, Guppysnail said:

The ar plants are here!

I kept looking at them and to get them near a light I decided to go with these with some gravel inside 

while netting guppies for the lfs I ripped apart the 29. Time for a trim anyway. I redid the center. My spider wood was screwed to slate until it sank. I noticed my panda Cory hung under the low branches so I unscrewed the slate and retied all the plants rather than cut them to provide a canopy for the panda. All this came from 1 bunch of 4 stems of ludwiga narrow leaf. There is also 3 pieces I had already put in another tank as well  

I got creative  I had a medium coop sponge but wanted a smaller footprint without losing the bb in the sponge or making the surface area smaller  so I used the insides to a nano and zip tied the medium sponge on it. This gives my pandas more room and the spider wood room to lay sideways (all in preparation for my nano pumps 🤣) Thank goodness it hidden because it is an eyesore but seems to work fine  stuff sticking to it already  

the tank does not look as lush but it will grow in. My guppies and pandas had the zoomies  in all the open space. So I think it was too overgrown.  They like it so I’m happy

I expect to lose a bit of the red until the ludwiga grows taller. The other plants are doing great but have not grown enough to place elsewhere. So they are still suctioned to the wall. 
I found another CPD that was clinging to the wall. They do this between the wiggles stage and free swim stage

I now know how my hubby feels when my random fish projects show up about the house  KARMA strikes…..a stink bug got in so I came out from doing the 29 to this on my dining room wall 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫

Babies are getting huge!

HAPPY ADVENTURES…TRY SOMETHING NEW (JUST NOT IN THE DINING ROOM🤣)

Of course I am out of daily reacts 

 

😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[Guppysnail]

Placed my coop order for 5 more nano pumps. I actually need 9 plus 2 more battery packs (pesky budget 🙃).  I realized I’m like a kid in a candy store knowing coop has the best stuff. I seen right up top in the description must buy battery on amazon 🤦‍♀️🤣. I hooked the one to the battery today. Works perfect. 
I have been misting the AR with tank water. My planters will not be here until late tomorrow so I figure they will be submerged by the time the planters are here. Then Saturday I only have to temp acclimate. I have absolutely no clue if any of it helps but I figure it can’t hurt🤷‍♀️
Forgot to put Nemo in yesterday’s update. No matter what I need to pull out of the tank he is on it. Sponge filter, heater, hob, decoration. So there he was on the spiderwood. When I put him back in he tried noming a plant for a second. Went right back to the wall. 😞 Since I have been doing siesta all the brown diatom algae I have lived with for 20 years from my source water is slowly disappearing 🤔 I grow algae rocks for him. But as you see below guppies and terrorists get to it before he wakes up. 
I have 5-6 free swimming CPD fry (so small and fast hard to be sure)and a few wall clingers 

mom and dad are courting again. She has gone in and out 3 times. She must let him know she is a princess and his tidying is not to her standards 

I have declared WAR on the tiny terrorists in the Pygmy tank. Again today they were hiding. They never hide. I looked and the mini wafers and few bug bites were coated with shrimp. Again the tank was polluted.  I pulled out the python. Ended up draining 60% of the tank and got most but not all 😣. Then spent an hour fishing them out of the bucket. I stuck them in the guppy girl grow out. Hopefully they will keep the numbers in check. As soon as I was done I added new wafers and bug bites and Pygmys were delighted swimming everywhere.  I did not want to disrupt them so no pics. 
 

HAPPY ADVENTURES…TRY SOMETHING NEW

Edited October 7, 2021 by Guppysnail

[Torrey]

On 10/7/2021 at 5:46 PM, Guppysnail said:

HAPPY ADVENTURES…TRY SOMETHING NEW

Edited 4 hours ago by Guppysnail

Your blue guppies are gorgeous!

You actually have me jonesing for blue guppies. I got 2 females of the blues... but they are currently rather bland looking.

If I were closer, I'd come take some shrimp off your handa😅

[Hobbit]

Those pygmies are too polite! They need to shove those shrimp out of the way!!

My loaches are the same way though. They won’t push anyone out of the way for food, not even the little otos. 🥰