Theplatymaster Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 12:40 PM, TheSwissAquarist said: Worst bit is I have no Ich-X none on hand, or not availble in europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 6:44 PM, Theplatymaster said: none on hand, or not availble in europe. Both 😑 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theplatymaster Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 12:46 PM, TheSwissAquarist said: Both 😑 do you have other meds then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 6:47 PM, Theplatymaster said: do you have other meds then? Just salt. If there’s any alive on Monday I’ll try & beg some Methylene Blue off my science teacher. She can’t complain, I helped her shift a 50 kilo aquarium & stand for her classroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 Bad news : Only 4 Endlers left alive. Good news: no other fish have Ich. Can you tell I got some help when setting up my trampoline? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 Ravaged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 Now all the other fish in the same tank have got it 😫 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miska Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Do you know how it happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 6:40 PM, TheSwissAquarist said: blame some Endler females I got off a school fish WhatsApp group the other day. Vital lesson learned : always QT! On 3/4/2023 at 3:03 PM, Miska said: Do you know how it happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miska Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Thank you! I missed that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) The good news is that, at least in the case of endlers and other livebearers, they tend to be very salt-tolerant. I'd just do a heavy dose of salt, and you should see them recover within a couple weeks, IME. No real need for harsher meds IMO - that is, as long as you have a hospital tank you can treat in, so you don't overwhelm your plants and inverts with salt. I tested the exact amount of salt needed to cure ich a couple years ago - I was transitioning a Figure 8 Puffer and a few mollies from fresh to brackish, and they had ich from the store. https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/freshwater-ichs-tolerance-to-marine-salt.488909/ Edited March 4, 2023 by Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The endler guy Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 10:19 AM, Chris said: The good news is that, at least in the case of endlers and other livebearers, they tend to be very salt-tolerant. I'd just do a heavy dose of salt, and you should see them recover within a couple weeks, IME. No real need for harsher meds IMO - that is, as long as you have a hospital tank you can treat in, so you don't overwhelm your plants and inverts with salt. I tested the exact amount of salt needed to cure ich a couple years ago - I was transitioning a Figure 8 Puffer and a few mollies from fresh to brackish, and they had ich from the store. https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/freshwater-ichs-tolerance-to-marine-salt.488909/ they are salt tolerant BUT they still need to acclimate slowly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 10:52 AM, The endler guy said: they are salt tolerant BUT they still need to acclimate slowly We're talking about a minimal amount of salt - nowhere near enough to need much of an acclimation, IMO. Caution is always beneficial, but withholding a therapeutic amount of salt while ramping it up over days/a week likely does more harm than good. Therapeutic levels of salt aren't even enough to disrupt a healthy freshwater nitrogen cycle IME. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 is that columnaris in the first photo or? Not really sure what I'm looking at but I see the big white patches in different spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick-In-Of-TheSea Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/2/2023 at 12:02 PM, TheSwissAquarist said: an avocado tree This is how I start the seed On 3/4/2023 at 8:59 AM, TheSwissAquarist said: Now all the other fish in the same tank have got it 😫 Ich is the worst. It spreads so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick-In-Of-TheSea Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 12:49 PM, TheSwissAquarist said: Just salt Test ammonia daily for sure. Salt slows the beneficial bacteria especially if added all at once and you could get a spike. Ask me how I know. 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 5, 2023 Author Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 4:19 PM, Chris said: The good news is that, at least in the case of endlers and other livebearers, they tend to be very salt-tolerant. I'd just do a heavy dose of salt, and you should see them recover within a couple weeks, IME. No real need for harsher meds IMO - that is, as long as you have a hospital tank you can treat in, so you don't overwhelm your plants and inverts with salt. I tested the exact amount of salt needed to cure ich a couple years ago - I was transitioning a Figure 8 Puffer and a few mollies from fresh to brackish, and they had ich from the store. https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfishforum/threads/freshwater-ichs-tolerance-to-marine-salt.488909/ The Endlers have all passed, but I might try and save the Apistos that are in there. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 5, 2023 Author Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 9:41 PM, nabokovfan87 said: is that columnaris in the first photo or? Not really sure what I'm looking at but I see the big white patches in different spots. It’s Ich ; hard to see the white spots on camera with the lighting & all. Found this in the QT tank: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 1:48 AM, TheSwissAquarist said: It’s Ich ; hard to see the white spots on camera with the lighting & all. Zooming in. Looks like fungus areas or something, like you said difficult to tell given the lighting and stuff. I don't see ich, just the large patches and sores/wounds. That's really tough, I'm sorry for your struggles. Are you going to order in some ich-x? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 5, 2023 Author Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 10:54 AM, nabokovfan87 said: struggles. Are you going to order in Illegal in Switzerland, but I’m going to try a home remedy (involves garlic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick-In-Of-TheSea Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Sanitize your nets, siphons, etc! What kind of fry are they? So cute. They are healthy, yes? 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 1:55 AM, TheSwissAquarist said: Illegal in Switzerland, but I’m going to try a home remedy (involves garlic) Sera has an ich med. Looks like you're able to order it from amazon.de potentially. Sera Costapur F Best of luck. That's the closest I could find off the ingredients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 5, 2023 Author Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 11:01 AM, Chick-In-Of-TheSea said: What kind of fry are they? So cute. They are healthy, yes? 🤞 All dead and in the Endler graveyard. 😢 On 3/5/2023 at 11:05 AM, nabokovfan87 said: Sera has an ich med. Looks like you're able to order it from amazon.de potentially. Sera Costapur F Best of luck. That's the closest I could find off the ingredients. Thanks. 😊 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick-In-Of-TheSea Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 So sorry! That’s awful. 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miska Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I am so so so sorry you are dealing with this. I would be so so so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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