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My uncle did interior design when I was a kid, and there is a teal fabric that is a replica from that period and was used by the "Cape aristocracy". I'll find out if it's still being made, it's what I recovered my 1840 Thomasville couch in, as well as my grandmother's 1790 chaise lounge her family had brought over from London. Yeah, not a true replication for *those* 2 pieces of furniture, but the teal tied in the beach themes (OBX blended with the blues and woods of the colonials). Almost a sea foam.... let me see if I can find it.

I can do step-by-step, and thanks for the info on what you envision. That rdeuces the need to come back repeatedly and bug you. One last question: Did you prefer the color in the lines/paint by numbers coloring books, or the Bob Ross paint with me videos on PBS? (Or, hated both, and prefer something different?)

I brought all the quotes together in case anyone doesn't take the time to go back and read everything. @Odd Duck if I manage to get my hands on the research I will send it to you, as it would appear this particular microbe is appearing more often. I was almost positive NMSU had done some research on it, as an ag school. I can't remember who in the forum works/worked with fish farms? That was the first paper I read on this, was a flesh eating disease that spread rapidly through a fish farm (my memory is faulty ever since the stroke, but I want to say less than a month from first loss to total loss). What I saw in a couple of forums, and in several antidotal reviews, was it consistently seems to wipe out one species, but a less stressed species only gets ich. My original question when I first read about this (near the beginning of covid) is are we witnessing in real time how elevated temps are altering what used to be the equivalent of the common cold, in the replication process (speeding up the process, and thereby also speeding up the opportunities for recombination errors that may be more lethal to the host). Then I had my stroke, and obviously I didn't follow up. @dasaltemelosguy it was the fact you referenced both the apparent flesh eating moving rapidly plus seeing ich, that allowed my brain to make the connection. Most of the cases I have read about, death occurred less than 24 hours after the appearance of the first lesion only in cases that responded specifically to gram negative antibiotics. However, it was slower when it responded to gram positive antibiotics. Regardless of response, ich appeared on other species in the tank that didn't develop the flesh eating sores. Hopefully, seeing multiple stories of similar experiences together in one place, someone who has access to more testing capabilities can nudge some forward action. Maybe someone in the forum has already seen the research done for the fish farms, and can share the research. Regardless, I hope the meds continue to work for you dasaltemelosguy. I do know (because it was similar to medical healthcare standard of care for MRSA) that stains were recommended and antibiotic compliance was indicated to continue until there was no longer any of the specific bacteria present. I think that was also in the paper I linked above. Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention, because if both you and @anewbie are dealing with this, how many more in the forum will see something similar? And the secret to successful treatment seems to be treat everyone as soon as the first sore is identified, but no one knows what it is until they see it progress this rapidly (unless we all get microscopes and stains).

@gjcarew I might have misinterpreted what was written, but when I read that section my brain interpreted it as (based on the rest of the paper) by supplying in reverse==> giving plants O2 during the photoperiod and CO2 during the "rest" period, they achieved a similar result as when a dietician and physical trainer are working together to help a performance athlete achieve desired results. To "break" a plateau, either caloric intake has to be changed (in the plants, this was the CO2), stress load has to be changed (photoperiod), or in many genotypes of individuals it needs to be a combination. By denying the plants CO2 during the photoperiod, the plants attempted to compensate by building more chlorophylls (equivalent of muscle in humans). I suspect the side effect of denying light during the CO2 saturation period meant the plants could not offgas O2, which would have sped up the process of asphyxiation in all the pests. For the algae, which does not have the same layers of cellular mass protecting the nucleus of the cell as the multicelled, multi-layers of cells plants, the algae wouldn't be able to withstand the rigidity (change in torpor) due to the pressure of the CO2. But, perhaps I read it wrong.... This actually makes perfect sense, after the fact, especially if differences in osmotic pressure are accounted for, combined with no light + CO2 in the plants = no offgassing of O2 by the plants. The CO2 is going to have a molecular density of 44 grams per molecule versus the oxygen (which is staying absent as photosynthesis is not taking place due to lack of light) which only has a molecular weight of 32 grams per molecule. Therefore, as soon as the CO2 saturated snail egg is dropped into the lower density aerated water, the difference in osmotic pressure would explode the egg. Just like putting a cold egg straight from the fridge into boiling water will explode. Wouldn't be surprised if this plays a role in the cellular lysing you saw in the algae.

@Odd Duck, I'm going to have to see if I can get into the stacks at UNM. My current searches keep pulling up articles from India on global warming influencing more species to participate in protogyny, protandry, possible implications in commercial hatcheries in TDS species, and articles on the banded houndsharks that imitated zebra sharks by producing offspring without mating. It may be a combination of factors are in play, and someone read a single article and it went viral due to the "new" interest in gender bending. Looks like a good possibility Pearson got ahead of itself with the textbook, as I can't find any scientific articles (minus 2 out of India that I can't open due to paywall) that specifically list *any* species of pufferfish for sequential hermaphrodites. Thank you for the correction!

Hmmm.... I need to find my sociology book (if it didn't burn in the fire) as that was where I first read it, talking about how many different species of animals *don't* actually have fixed genders. There was a lot of information that was "cutting edge" for a community college in 2012, and forced a couple of biology professors to stop teaching "XY" mythology. I do remember when I went down the rabbit hole, there was another species that mimics Carinotetraodon travancoricus, interchangeably in the hobby... and now my ASD rabbit hole tendencies have been reactivated. As soon as I find anything, I'll share!

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So... if I put my AR rosaeafolia outside in the pond [and did nothing with it], it would probably grow so much better🤣

Only one I like better (right now) than My Wing, is Genesis. I can't always listen to them, but full moons they speak to me.... A good reminder the Earth will ultimately always be okay.

That's great advice for life in general, tbh

I had a 120 gallon breeding tank, and several 75, plus a custom build headboard that was 60 gallons for a breeding pair. They have opinions, lol. The powdery sand will resolve itself. Everytime you do a water change, you'll stir it up until plant roots start anchoring it. You can do big water changes to remove the suspended particles, just know that the more water changes, the longer it takes to get the tank stable. It really is about walking a middle path: everything has a trade off. Do one thing, and like pushing over a domino, it may take weeks to observe all the results of the single domino that got pushed over. That's why you'll see some of the older water keeping folx in here recommend change one thing, and then observe for a few weeks before changing something else. Ever watch the Karate Kid? Your tank has now taken on the roll of Mr Miyagi, get prepared for a whole lot of "wax on, wax off" except it will be "water in, water out, watch. Water out, water in, watch." I've got appointments most of the day tomorrow, so probably will be in late, or on Friday. I quit doing the ammonia route when I realized it was easier for me (I'm a lazy fish keeper) to just feed the fish I wanted to have eventually. Gave me plenty of opportunities to observe which fish foods are high quality and also contribute to healthy plants, and which contribute to more algae... by feeding one thing at a time and observing, lol. Welcome [back] to the hobby, and there's only 2 ways to do it wrong: accidentally kill fish and not learn anything from the experience not have fun Everything else? There's as many ways to cycle a tank, and probably even more ways to season a tank, as there are aquarists, tanks, and ornamental fish. So, have fun with it! As long as you don't have fish in there already, what's the worst thing that can happen, really?

This is lovely! Yeah, heat index for my sis in Raleigh today was 115.... family members who used to think "siesta" was a sign of laziness are starting to recognize the siesta is a critical adaptation for heat... On the plus side, now that 4 hour naps after lunch are becoming a norm in NC homes that haven't traditionally needed AC, the 2 hour time difference is no longer interfering with our ability to talk every week. AR rosaeafolia was growing fine for me without CO2, until I accidentally starved it (and the snails). It does require a strong light, and a bit more iron than my other plants to keep the color. I'm not sure of country of origin though. Are you looking for generic SA plants? Or specific river systems? I have some links in a file, somewhere.... Mostly plants indigenous to Brazil, Venezuela and Peru for SA. A larger file on meso indigenous plants since I spent more time there. I prefer these new cleats, much more reminiscent of my youth growing up summers on a 22' Hurley.... Look forward to following along! Be prepared to transfer fish to warmer water than you anticipate (match the bag temp) and allow them to cool off slowly, with lots of O2 running. I am confident they are going to make it to you okay, because I refuse to believe anything else.

When I first ended up here in 1993, it was also known as "water, water, nowhere, and way too much to drink". they've lowered the DWI death rates, but the license plate "Land of Enchantment" is only partially accurate. Once you drink the water here, it will *always* bring you home. (The Land of the Pueblos, aka NM)

I thought I was going to surprise my spouse with a new band, turns out this is the main throat singing group we've had playing in our home the past couple of months, ever since I got her the YouTube unlimited (hates ads). This is phenomenal!!!! (And one we hadn't listened to yet) This is a fave. So, one of the most amazing births I have ever attended (ca. 2002) was with a grandmother, the birthing parent, and me. That was the extent of attendants. I didn't know at the time, how many traditional ways had been banned, and how difficult it was for People to move past the fear to reclaim birthrights.... literally. I was given permission to share 3 tones of throat singing with other birthing parents, because the sounds do help with opening and allowing. I wasn't given permission to share much more than that, and now there's a movie where The People get to tell their own story.... and it is beautiful. I have been hooked on throat singing for 2 decades now, and appreciate the medicine behind the music. Thank you for sharing these, now I know who my spouse has had us listening to, lol Now, I am going to go watch the movie again, and my spouse asked if you ever listened to these groups before... Movie clip https://aeon.co/videos/inuit-throat-singing-is-half-performance-half-game-and-wholly-mesmerising Groups:

Baby fish eyes are the best!!!!

Then my guess is, insufficient magnesium did initial damage, which was magnified by my underfeeding that probably started when I brought the shrimp home from their QT. I just put a blanched cucumber wedge and blanched carrot chunk in the tank. Less than 15 minutes later, and all 8 snails, plus 3 shrimp, are munching on the veggies. Last week everyone stayed on the veggie kabob until it was gone, so I kept increasing size portion. Tomorrow morning I will remove whatever is left, and replace tomorrow night. Nitrates are at 10 ppm now, at the end of the day. Light water change tomorrow. I'm premixing magnesium (100% pure Epsom salt) in a gallon jug for water changes. Will continue with new feeding schedule, plus the added magnesium, and see what new growth looks like next few weeks. Am looking at giving plants an overnight bath in seltzer water, followed by 30 minute oxygenated bath in freshwater, to accelerate the melt process of damaged foliage and stimulate new growth. Sitting here watching shrimp and snails eat, I see fresh growth on pogostemon, uprooted cyperus helferi, and the AR rosaeafolia might have some new leaves, too. My eyes are old, lol Twenty minutes of eating, I am down to half the cucumber chunk.

ORD, and I love living in Nermlandia with everyone here😍 @Atitagain your craftsmanship is excellent!

This brings back so many memories!!! The slate bottom was replaced with glass I want to say 1975? I won't swear to it though. The UGF looks like it's in good shape, I learned a cool hack of placing that particular UGF on top of some lava rock (increase bb surface growing area) and you may never have to gravel vac if you have plants. Leave plenty of space between the rocks for good water flow. Look forward to following!

Awesome!!!

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Yes, I can take care of that and add the #NermWeek & #NermWeek2022 tags. I'll try to get the post up sooner rather than later, with 10th July as the date for written directions to be submitted and then votes during the week. Whichever submission has the most votes on the 16th wins, and I will come up with a suitable prize. I think this is awesome! Especially with our solid arguments for all architects to include a fish room, as opposed to a "fun room" or "utility room" that the homeowner/rentor needs to convert into a fish room. I mean, even apartments should have fishrooms, right??? I need to go find the rules for the taco eating contest, my formerly Patient Spouse™ now Reluctant Nerm™ could probably get on board with that. Are Indian Tacos included? Do they count as a single taco, or do you include a portion weight? (Navajo Tacos use enough materials to make 4 to 6 regular tacos). Thank you, and added to the calendar!

I'm ORD (out of reactions for the day) and wanted to say thank you for the chuckles (I appreciate blunt honesty, like "said no one ever"), and the sincere HONEST help in here. @sweetpoison if you managed to keep discus thriving in more than one tank, then my recommendation is.... Breathe. Trust yourself to listen to your tank. I love Cory's video using M7M's for cycling tanks... I love his video explaining the difference between cycled and seasoned even more. You said you want a little easier this time round (and not doing daily water changes) so I offer you a challenge: Go slow. Pay attention to your tank, and what order the different algaes show up. Pay attention to the things you didn't get to pay attention to when you had discus (also my favorite species I've bred so far, and way more work or energy than I am currently willing/able to invest) Play Have fun Ask questions Boldly screw up in a fully committed kind of way, just to see what happens next (it's the secret to having fun) And never stop asking questions, the worst thing we do as a society is shame people into not asking questions for fear of looking foolish. Your questions reinvigorate the hobby with fun. It's supposed to be fun, right? Welcome to the forum!

Yes, there are lots of opportunities to add interest and give more depth to your tank. Before I do the autistic info dump, are you a person who is able to see 6D imaging in full color, with your eyes closed? It changes the process and the explanation method. Also, are you a more visual learner? Process learner? Or connect the dot/ need information presented step 1, step 2, step 3 kind of way?

I've been there, especially when I was recuperating from a covid induced stroke last year. Over the past 4 decades I've had everything from breeding fish room to no tanks and only an outdoor pond, to only breeding feeders for reptiles, to my current 13ish in an apartment. The hardest times with burnout have consistently correlated with depression for me, and I now treat burnout like a check engine light in the car. Sometimes I need to downsize, sometimes I need to rehome living animals that require more care than I am capable of giving at that point, sometimes I need a new challenge to reinvigorate my brain. The consistent issue is I need to check back in with my body because I've fallen into disassociation as a coping skill, due to external stressors. The solution isn't the same every time, even if the symptoms are identical. Oh, and welcome to the forum!

@dasaltemelosguy I have heard of it, and reached out to a friend at NMSU to see if they can get me the information from behind paywall. Until then, this paper and the video from Secret History talk about it. If I hear anything from my friend, I will let you know. @Baphijmm may know of research at NMSU regarding the impact of Aeromonas hydrophila in feral fish populations.