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Only way to get these guys is a video. My 4 whitecloud fry have been accepted by the parent school. Did the gobies attempt to eat them? Most definitely. You can see Frog poking his head out in the background.

Here’s a shot from yesterday where I’ve got an older fry (one of the best marked, too) that hatched on July 18 with a photo bomb by one of the younger fry (hatched on August 23) that I didn’t even realize I’d captured until I did my edit to prevent the pic from flipping around. The older clutch is just now reaching 1-1.25”, the younger clutch is about 5/8” now. Second pic is back farther with a fry from each clutch while the younger ones were fresh hatched and still in the cave and an older one went back to visit. Next pics are the blue eyed lemons (and a photo bomb oto) after a scare and near disaster. Had a tank crash from a ramshorn snail that got stuck in the top of a sponge filter and died and triggered a big snail die off. Weird that it was ramshorns that died off and not fish, but very lucky for me. Found them barely in time and saved almost the entire clutch and all of the otos that were also in that tank along with my adult Rio Paraguays that were in that tank. Lost only 4 of the smallest babies. Sad, but so incredibly lucky I didn’t lose more. Just scooped up fish as fast as I could and plopped into the tank above. I was planning on moving some of them the next day because I knew it was a crowd and overdue for an extra deep cleaning anyway. Made me almost 2 hours late for work transferring everybody since feeding and checking on everybody was the last thing to do before leaving for work that day. They were pretty pale still the next day when I got this pic but are looking much better now. Luckily I already had the tank ready where they were going to go to split them up. I was planning to eventually replace that whole tank since it’s one of my geriatric tanks and getting potentially suspect seals, plus I wanted to switch from sand bottom to matten over UGF. Already had the UGF and a replacement tank purchased. Just moved up my timeline on replacing it. 🤷🏻‍♀️

they are a bit hard to see but here's some boesemani rainbows

Sob! I don't have any fry and no plans for more at this time. I love seeing others' and am so impressed by everyone's babies--those teeny panda angels are the cutest things I've seen in a long time.

Yes the carinae’s jungle river is what I meant by sand. I would never do another true sand for the exact reason you said. It just gets yucky. Oh yes. Every time I do maintenance I find myself making hills and valleys I think the kids will like.

I thought about this. But I don’t think it’s a good option for me. Reasons…as much for me to get opinions as an explanation as to why this I dont think will work for me. - my nitrate from the tap @25-35 issue. This mean I must stay hyper vigilant about no excess organics decaying in the tank. -the roots on one of my crypts has started clogging the middle section. I need to get a thick layer of detritus already built up out. -my Pygmy and panda Cory new hatches dive through the cracks of the gravel. There is currently a fry every inch the size of an eyelash hidden. When I vac I siphon a gallon at a time to a white bucket and retrieve the fry. -The stock in this tank is stupid now. Not intentionally but I can’t figure out fish birth control to save my life 🤣 STOCK mom n dad full grown bn pleco- several stray babies from other spawns where I missed stray eggs and a new batch coming out of the cave right now. The girl who buys my fish and another retailer requested a batch to split. My Pygmy Cory group grew from what I could not catch Roughly 20 and untold number of fry 10 melini is now 20 adults 20-30 frustratingly fast young juveniles. And a living substrate of those fry I think my adult CPD group has now grown to 15-20 plus wigglers and clingers everywhere If this tank, which is supposed to be a retirement tank when I’m done breeding each,(fish did not get that memo obviously) is so polluted with fry vacuum is insanely hard. The Cory fry don’t do well when the substrate is not tidy. Last reason… SAND IS EASY TO MAINTAIN gravel is not 🤣

65 gallon tank I wouldn’t worry too much about floor load. While it is a lot of weight it’s being dispersed over an area. Keep in mind refrigerators full of food easily can weigh 600-750 lbs and take up a smaller square. If your husband is building the stand I would use support beams running the bottom and top, and I used sanded panel boards on the bottom and top so as to not scuff or dent the floor. And panel boards not particle board. It also helps evenly disperse weight across the floor. Fish- the world is your oyster. You can go with a large school of more rowdy fish like barbs. They are absolutely stunning in large planted tanks. In large schools their aggression is typically aimed at eachother and not other fish. I like large fast swimming danio or tetra too. They are absolutely fun to watch darting around the tank. Here are some orange fin hill trout for reference (not a trout, but a danio, they just look like adolescent trout) Plants- I think the list you have is perfect. Jungle val is so beautiful in larger tanks when it bends over and sways at the top of the tank.

Ammonia burn should clear with time and good water provided the fish aren't too damaged. Some think water treatment with aloe does help the process (usually bottles with "stress" in the name). What is most concerning now is potential secondary bacterial infections so I would be dilligent about good, aerated water and keeping an eyeball on any potential reasons to medicate. If you have IAL on hand I'd consider putting that in or making a tea so the water stays clear of any debris.

We had to use AI in history of art today. You could say that I’ve familiarized myself with it 🙃

Definitely keeping that in mind , also keeping in mind this is our FIRST TIME raising angelfish fry , but not fry in general! I just like to ask questions and do extensive research before doing anything, I have always been a worry wort especially when it comes to my animals! Most breeders reported a survival rate of only 30%… 80% for more experienced breeders. I’m definitely keeping odds in my favor! The last batch was of unknown genetics whereas this will be our first true line. I also have atleast 2-3 store fronts waiting, I’ve been personally selling and donating fish and entire tank set ups to the community for quite some time. I’m a teacher and set up tanks for other classrooms , I help maintain them and teach about animal care! I have dozens of local aquatic hobbyists waiting for babes and getting the licensing and registration to sell these guys for real!! I’ve worked with aquatic plants and live bearers then worked aquatic retail to get my name out in the community! I also have extensive experience shipping and have the capability to print labels from home with immediate pick up from postal services ! I appreciate the caution and it’s definitely something we’ve kept in mind , even leaving partial batches for the parents so they don’t go on full rampages after removing the eggs lol. Your fry are beautiful! I enjoy the process of raising , breeding and selling fish. I run an aquatic rehabilitation and rescue with over 20 active tanks in 2 locations !

I have fry currently but none are as unique as my axolotl fry I have right now! He is a wild morph.

Who doesn’t love fry. Show us your fry! I LOVE BABY WET PETS! pygmy Cory Melini cory Lemon bn pleco Aspidora spilotus I found like 5 survived the parents Apisto caucatoides triple reds African dwarf frogs more left than I thought 🤣 Celestial pearl danios

They are awesome.

My favorite thing about sand is literally being a goofy kid whenever I do water changes and playing with it like I'm at the beach. For me it's my highly underrated, trivial, little bit of fun.

With shrimp only, the tank should be fairly easy to keep stable as their bio load is minimal and they do a ton of the cleaning in the tank itself... ideally at least... I'll keep this thread updated over time.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions So when I got them (roughly about 7 hours ago), I kept the lights off around 2ish hours and then fed them live bbs while feeding every other tank. They didnt seem to pay attention at first but I guess they ate them gradually because Ive found them active in the tank doing the cory thingy in their school. I haven't noticed any dead bodies so far, thankfully. The heavy breathing seemed to be gone as well. I was a bit worried of finding no time to at least temperature acclimate but today is around 26C here and the fish room tanks read around 23-24C lately, so I thought colder water changes have always been a spawning trigger for my cories, thinking they wouldnt mind this sudden change if there is any. I bet staying in that funky water must be worse. Ive talked to hobbyist guy selling them. People dont commonly use water conditioners here. They evaporate the chlorine and use the tap water that way. Ive checked city test results a couple times, and they only mention chlorine but no chloramine. Would chloramine be included under the chlorine tag, or should be written seperately? I really don't know. I just prime anyway. I would be too anxious not to use prime and expect evaporating, which wouldn't work well for chloramine to my knowledge. Also, maybe I'm reading wrong but that test kit is reading between 5 to 10 mg/L ammonia, am I right? That's big. Ive been using Sera's kit for a long time now and Ive never seen such coloration before even when I start fishless cycles. I have some botanicals on hand including catappa leaves. I can surely use them! Thank you. We only have Tropical's aquarium salt with alove vera here. I haven't seen any other specific product that seem to have it. So botanicals it is for me

The cause of my impending work is doing great. Obviously no shortage of food growing up under a filter plate 😝 He is larger than his siblings I just sold 🤣

With the gills not being red it is highly likely the water conditioner converted the ammonia to its non toxic form. I agree with others monitoring and time are your best bet if ammonia burns were suffered. Gills can regenerate relatively quickly.

Yes depending on the fish breeders, typically try to get as close to natural conditions or whatever water conditions that these fish prefer breeding in or that will trigger spawning. ammonia is more toxic the more basic water is. So it’s best for breeders sometimes to use a different water source to ship them in. Other things too can be a factor. The tank could have heavy biological activity or decay that could contribute unwanted nitrites, nitrates, or ammonia during shipping. Also also water conditioners have a target pH range where they are most effective. Any of these could be factors as to why this breeder chooses this method.

We got a squirrel feeder! LOL They are spoiled with bird seed and peanuts too, hehe. This one is getting a drink.

We have 1 batch of 1 week old free swimmers and one batch of wigglers, I typically raise Corydoras so I’m used to more docile fry , the angels are definitely little hunters so I appreciate your experience with their personalities! I even offered to let another hobbyist raise eggs if they laid again since their last batch was eaten by the parents. I definitely wanted higher odds being that I’m so new to raising these guys but am aware of risks of overcrowding… I always have an empty 220 I could use the excuse of setting up 😂

Get the biggest tank that will fit in the area. 🙂

Crisis averted…temporarily. I lifted the plate and siphoned him out with a wide hose. New issue..so much gravel under the plate it will not work properly. Issue… 2 Pygmy spawns of fry 3 melini spawns of fry and dad pleco should release his latest wigglers tomorrow. I saw one scooting about. This one was from the previous spawn. 🙄 sigh. I was wanting to put sand in it EVENTUALLY… not now… not soon but eventually. So next weeks lfs cricket run includes several bags of sand 😝 this ought to be a project and a half. Here is the culprit after being siphoned into a bucket. He now lives in my CPD/ miscellaneous other Cory fry grow out tank. Community fry tanks are fun at least

SERIOUSLY 🤬 Looks like I have to redo a 40 breeder. I have pleco babies living under the UGF filter plate. @Ken Burke I’m no longer enchanted by filter fry.

I made a batch of repashy. I normally dont use much non-repashy foods, but today i used FD bloodworms, easy fry food, and tubifex cubes. The picture is some repashy i attached to a rock, that the fish promptly removed from the rock. The rest of it still needs to be cut up and stored. found some surprise cory eggs: (brown smudge on filter baffle). Also thinking about Glowlight Tetras, they were the first fish (aside from a betta that lasted 3months) that i had, and i didnt very well with them being new to the hobby. But they hold a special place to me emotionally for that reason (look pretty cool too), and i think they'd thrive in a planted tank like i have now. I also would want to try breeding them once to twice before deciding its impossible and giving up. Really not so sure i want to go full speed ahead on the platy breeding at this stage. I have some cool colors, but i like my numbers and ratios of platies and dont want to mess it up with a bunch of fry. No point moving the stunning female right now, if she gives birth that would be great, but besides for that project breeding platies is becoming less of a priority to me.

Coming right up! Those are my bread and butter for credit at the LFS. Normally, I brush off a good chunk of the eggs and just hatch a small portion of the spawn. Last time I hatched I threw the whole slate in there. I panicked a bit at first, but it has actually worked out pretty well in that spawn has allowed me to sell 20 at a time all summer long. It has carried me through the summer as hatching/water changing/feeding fry just wasn’t in the cards as I was too busy with work, but I could keep growing out the Angels and selling them off 20 at a time!

That’s exactly what I thought. Water change day so they all show up. I was taking pictures to send the girl that retails all my kids so she has a preliminary of what’s on the menu for the next swap. Gorgeous babies. I think you need 2-3 hundred more panda angels 🤣

This could be fun. Let’s see what I can find: Panda Angel wigglers Panda Angels barely free swimming Panda Angels starting to look like tiny Angels Baby Panda Angels! Bristlenose Pleco’s yolk sac almost gone Baby Bristlenose Pleco’s! Julii Cory’s Albino Cory’s just hatched Baby Albino Cory’s! Whole gang of Krib fry. Pygmy Cory Man, I used to take soooooo many pictures of fry. Had to scroll way back on the camera roll to find a lot of these. Need to get back to taking more pictures.

Minocycline is quite broad spectrum and treats a lot of gram positive and gram negative along with a few oddballs. I would lean towards using the Maracyn-2. It should still be fine as long as it was appropriately stored.

Whew, what a week. Skipped maintenance last week as I simply just wasn’t feeling it. I slept in (greatly needed) and just didn’t feel like spending 4 or 5 hours on the tanks. I removed some floating plants, topped some things off, messed with an air stone or two, but didn’t do the whole routine. This week, my girlfriend had surgery on Monday, and we thought we might, maybe, be staying overnight in the hospital. Figured we’d be out of there by Tuesday afternoon, back home, and would have the next 2 days to take care of her and get the tanks done as she was napping. Turns out we were there until Thursday night. Not what we were planning on, but it needed to happen, and honestly the team over there at the hospital was really awesome. Thankful the surgery went well, thankful for the people that took great care of her while we were in the hospital, and thankful to have her home and on the road to recovery. Yesterday, I was able to set up the Fluval 107. Felt intimidating, but honestly it’s pretty simple. Just like anything else, after you do it the first time it only gets easier from there. The tank was a mess, but the filter did a great job overnight! I woke up to water that was tinted, but not cloudy. Today I worked on every tank. Took all the media out of the canister to squeeze it out and continue collecting the debris in the water column. Scraped glass on the Pea Puffer tank, and trimmed back several of the Swords that desperately needed it. Put in some work, for sure, but I’m liking where the tanks are at. I think the duckweed is 99% gone in the 55 Angel tank, and as of today it’s about 98% gone in the 20 high next to it. Few more tanks to go, but I’ve definitely done some damage in those tanks, too. The 107 inspired me to add a different internal filter to the Pea Puffer tank. I need to give that tank some love. I’m looking forward to sprucing up the tank. It’s probably my tank that requires the most manual cleaning as no snails can escape the murder beans. Hoping a more powerful internal filter can help me keep the tank looking a little better. I think I’m going to take the tiny internal filter I pulled from the 29 gallon blackwater and stick it in the 20 long blackwater tank. The 20 long has run exclusively off a small ACO sponge filter the 3+ years it has been up and running. I figure it can’t hurt to have a little more sponge, a little more circulation in the tank, and using Poly Fil I should be able to polish the water like I was doing when it was in the 29. Without any bottom dwelling fish, it’s not nearly as cloudy as the one next to it was before the 107, but I’d love to see the dark brownish-reddish water be more polished. I’ve also been going back and forth with some things to add to the 29. I need to make some decisions and make a move, but I’m looking forward to doing something new. Cheers to sprucing things up and trying new things. Hope you’re enjoying your tanks!

That is one beautiful tank, my friend.

I went to the 2nd of my two LFSs today. i dont usually go to this one as it's farther away and more expensive, but someone in my family was going to a store 5minutes away so i tagged along with the trip and went to the Fish Store. Some highlights: Rainbow Gobies (nearly an impulse buy) super cool: and a titanium flowerhorn ($200) somebody please tell me about the Rainbow Gobies (Stiphodon ornatus) because they are super cool and i want some now. also isopod project is on pause, i have cooler aquatic things i want to be doing and at the moment its sapping too much of my hobby budget.

For context, that is probably 3 large guys sitting on a big couch... 🙂

I also see differences between the test strips and the API master kit. I have found the API results to be accurate when measured against a professional water test or my well/tap water. I used the coop strips all the time, but if I need a nitrate reading, I break out the API drops. Also, test your source water and see what the API kit says. My tap water has 40ppm nitrates, which has also been confirmed by professional lab testing. Also, also . . . you're probably doing this already, but just to check, make sure you're following the annoying API nitrate directions to the letter, which means lots of shakey-shakey of the solution.

When I am forced to redo a tank I avoid it and hate it. So in proper avoidance style I redid the hillstream loach tank 🤣 Jen gave me her last one. It looks subtly different than the boys so I’m hoping it’s a girl. I took the Pygmy cory group out. Now it’s just 3 loaches and shrimp…always shrimp 🙄 I did not want man made caves. So I made the entire tank a rock garden loach paradise. Sat BESIDE the tank that needs redone and watched my dorsigera flirt again today. These are seriously cool fish. More entertaining than the curviceps. Much less shy.

If you plan on letting the cories go at it in the community tank, you probably won't be able to pull a ton of eggs. If you're fine with that, you can probably get away with a smaller grow out tank. For cories, though, it's more about bottom footprint of the tank than overall gallons, and also how clean you keep it. Smaller tank that is overstocked is going to need cleanup or the cories will die of infections due to bacteria on the bottom of the tank. Also, it leaves less room for any plants etc. You can choose whatever grow out size tank you want, and then only pull out enough eggs (+ some % margin for die off and culls) to be comfortable for the grow out tank. Then, if they spawn again, you just leave the eggs as food and don't pull again until you are ready to release the juveniles.

I kinda think the eggs I got last night might not be fertilized, I will watch that carefully. But today was a busy day. I have been sitting in front of tank grabbing eggs just as fast as I could, as other fish were doing the same thing and sometimes beat me to it. But the 20 that I did get, in addition to the 9 last night, are safe for now. And I know that most of todays were fertilized. I can't be sure but I think I might have 2 males and 2 females. And I think both females were laying eggs. Gets kinda hard to tell them apart when they are that busy. But things have finally slowed down. New question, I were to get a small tank to grow out the fry, could I do that in a 5 gallon? (I know a ten would be good but just don't have a lot of room.) I have an extra seasoned nano sponge filter I put in my 55 gallon months ago for emergencies. HAHAHA, great minds think alike! I already made one 2 months ago!! Works great!

If you want to keep them in spawning mode for an extended period of time, I've had a lot of luck using Dean's feeding cone trick with tubifex cubes. Right now trying to figure out the least amount they really need to feel comfortable spawning consistently.

Exciting! I had a similar experience and wasn't really ready for handling the fry. I ended up trying a few methods and settled on using the Ziss tumbler and then moving the fry once they hatch to the breeder box. I put both of these in a 20 long that has the adults. It's a lot of gear to cram into a tank, especially with a filter, power head, and/or heater in there and whatever plants/hardscape you have. I found having the tumbler has been nice because it is easy to take out and put back with it's design (the Ziss one, specifically). This makes it less difficult to remove eggs with fungus and to move fry over to the breeder box, and easy to slot back into place. it also lets you direct the output stream so that is good to create a bit extra current for the cories. I found they are laying eggs around the tumbler now, too (and on the breeder box, for that matter). Good luck and keep us updated!

Same. That's why I never use fertilizers that has N in it. In fact, my water changes increase my nitrate readings 😄

I also wouldn't worry about the weight. I have a 65 gallon tank in a house that's almost 100 years old, with 2x6 floor joists. You asked about stocking ideas. I have turquoise rainbowfish, green corys, and lemon tetras in mine, and I'm happy with it.

I'm sure someone on the forums could make an "old nano" compatible version using a printer. Honestly, if you really wanted the nano to "fit" there's probably a way. If I can patch together a decent Tidal I'm sure some sandpaper or glue and it would work out eventually.

@Guppysnail, how’d you find that one! I still luv filter fry.

the one "fry" i have right now. Albino Cory. Not quite the fry anymore, but very small and i consider him a fry based on care. He has a odd spine defect and that seems to have affected his growth so he is alone in the breeder box:

Here are my humble submissions. endler fry: guppy fry:

One time, I placed an order and immediately realized I forgot the add the algae scrubbers to my cart. I emailed them, Candi promptly got back to me, and sent me a separate invoice. I got that paid immediately, and 2 or 3 days later my package arrived with the algae scrubbers. They really are THAT good!

Yes, for sure remove the seltzer as @Guppysnail says. It’s not only about the CO2 but also pH, dead and dying organisms, etc. Siphon out all the water you can, but you don’t need to rinse unless you have very low pH water. The low pH seltzer would worsen that. Anything above 7.0 pH and you should be fine with any small amount of seltzer residue that remains since it will be massively diluted. If you’re super concerned, or already have low pH water, you could always do a double water change. Fill at least halfway or more spraying down the sides, hardscape, plants, etc, then siphon down again, then refill. That should dilute any remaining seltzer far beyond any concern level.

You do not want to leave that in there. It kills all microorganisms. Best case scenario you have a mega algae outbreak from so much dead organic matter. Worst case scenarios some bacteria release toxins on death.