WhitecloudDynasty Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Started a few years back with golden shortfin male bred to the best regular longfin female i had to create F1. All F1 came out as standard shortfin fish, but carry the gene for gold and/or longfin. Since both gene are recessive, to get a golden longfin(double recessive) the baby will need to have both recessive gene of the gold and longfin from both parent. Next step was choosing the best F1 to breed with themselves in hope they happen to carry the 2 gene. Chances are 25% non carry/50% carry but no show/25% carry and show. In real life I got less that 10% that came out gold and about 25% came out longfin.(longfin at this time was very low quality, they just show sign of being long-"er" than shortfin). But with my luck I happen to get a very nice golden longfin in this batch(bottom photo at 4 month old). Breeding F2 with F2 So I ended keeping 2 golden longfin male and 3 longfin female 1 gold and 2 regular. Only keeping the golden babies(F3). Took the F3 and pair them back to their father(F2). Bottom photo.. Young fish aren't long enough, they wasn't even 4 month old yet. Right now F4 is growing up as fry. And I have already started a new pairing for a different set of F1 so ill have something to cross to when the F4 stuff gets too inbred. Bottom photo is the parents of the new F1 completely unrelated to the first family. Backtracking a bit, the first family all had yellowtips or whitetips, but 2 fish in F3 batch. They were longfin regular color fish that carry the gold gene, they are green/red. So I put them together hoping they kick out a few golden fry with a different fin color. I'm also crossing F4 to shortfin gold and F4 to F3(uncle) just to have something different to bring back into the family. Hopefully guy/guy are going the same and we can cross bloodline one day. Its pretty fun when you go back is see their history. If you made it this far thanks, I do enjoy working with these fish..I'll photo bomb from here..... 9 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Cory Posted August 29, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 29, 2020 Nice work. I’ve played with gold London white clouds before. The strain I had never made any babies. Had several groups of white clouds breeding both normal and longfin but gold kingdoms never produced fry. I’ve suspected that they become a lethal gene when bred together. Any experience like that yet? I had assumed something like this was the case cause you almost never see gold longfins for sale. this gives me hope to try again. Been like 10 years since I tried gold longfin breeding last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speakeasy Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 This is super cool @WhitecloudDynasty ..I wouldn't call myself a fish breeder...but i do breed (snakes) My particular obsession is pairing ressive genes together and I love danios here's a video worth checking out...its about ballbpythons....but a double ressive project is a double ressive project, doesn't matter if its ball pythons, danios, or donkeys...the math is the same When he is talking about "double het" that would be your F1 generation...het, short for heterozygous, means its carrying a copy of a gene from one parent ergo it is not visual for the gene and double het, well its carrying 1 copy of 2 different genes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDukeAnumber1 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 @WhitecloudDynasty So glad you are here! Been following your youtube channel for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted August 29, 2020 Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 5 hours ago, Cory said: Nice work. I’ve played with gold London white clouds before. The strain I had never made any babies. Had several groups of white clouds breeding both normal and longfin but gold kingdoms never produced fry. I’ve suspected that they become a lethal gene when bred together. Any experience like that yet? I had assumed something like this was the case cause you almost never see gold longfins for sale. this gives me hope to try again. Been like 10 years since I tried gold longfin breeding last. My F4 babies are pure golden longfin and 100% comes out gold, I'm now just working to make them longer. Making them cleaner,healthier, some more variety in color and genetic before I introduce them to the market. I hate to be the breeder that make a family of fish that ppls will talk bad about. Same happen to me 10 year ago with golden longfin I bought, they wasn't producing any fry. My guess is they was too inbred, some ppls are scare or don't have the time to put in the work crossing them out and working them back in. Maybe it was a bad gene, who really know. Just like highfin platy had a bad gene, now breeder made or found a better gene for highfin and they are amazing now. You should try again and we can trade in the future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted August 29, 2020 Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Speakeasy said: This is super cool @WhitecloudDynasty ..I wouldn't call myself a fish breeder...but i do breed (snakes) My particular obsession is pairing ressive genes together and I love danios here's a video worth checking out...its about ballbpythons....but a double ressive project is a double ressive project, doesn't matter if its ball pythons, danios, or donkeys...the math is the same When he is talking about "double het" that would be your F1 generation...het, short for heterozygous, means its carrying a copy of a gene from one parent ergo it is not visual for the gene and double het, well its carrying 1 copy of 2 different genes Sweet video, its easier with fish since I get about 100-200 fry every set so my chancesgets better. It'll be more fun if I had the room and time. Hopefully someone is doing the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 9 hours ago, TheDukeAnumber1 said: @WhitecloudDynasty So glad you are here! Been following your youtube channel for a while. I'm happy to hear you follow me in YouTube when my stuff isn't edited or done well lol I do appreciate the support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streetwise Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 This is really cool. I love White Clouds. I look forward to more updates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genuine_red Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 What an interesting topic! What a great project! I love my regular gold white clouds. How long have you been working on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted September 7, 2020 Author Share Posted September 7, 2020 23 hours ago, genuine_red said: What an interesting topic! What a great project! I love my regular gold white clouds. How long have you been working on this? first family about 2-3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genuine_red Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Oh wow! I didn't even have the patience to breed guppies! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 An F3 male coming along 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dyer Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Beautiful fish, golden white clouds are definitely one of my favorites! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 Doing an out cross right now, so their babies will be old enough by spring to be cross back 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 An update these are pure golden longfin F4 males at 7 month old ...female dont look good yet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Dyer Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I think we have different standards of what looks good 😉 Those fish are gorgeous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Ken Dyer said: I think we have different standards of what looks good 😉 Those fish are gorgeous! I'm sure we do! It's good to see fish bring so many people together 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 These are 5 month old, some have better conformation and fin length than others They are nowhere close to being perfect, but its a start. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 2nd set 2 of the the better male 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Great to see the progression from F1 to F4 keep up the good work@WhitecloudDynasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 Putting 2 pair together, hopefully their fry will be old enough to work with this summer. I'll be ready for this year summer tubbing! Breeding- crossing out, crossing back in, introducing new blood from the gold, introducing new blood from the regular longfin....breeding uncle to niece, aunt to nephew...... Doing everything i can to keep them clean. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Some orangetips golden white cloud at 6 month old 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 pairs in the summer tub this year 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shkote Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Beautiful! I left my Whiteclouds in 40 breeders in the basement this year with my Dojos and did CPDs, Ricefish and shrimp in tubs this year. I missed seeing my Whiteclouds outdoors though. They are always so outgoing and happy outside 🙂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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