JoCinWB Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 What are the chances she'll recover? Put her in hospital tank 2 days ago with aquarium salt. Today she looked worse. Dosed with Imagitarium bacterial remedy. Label doesn't say what it's good for specifically. Gh 60 kh 40 ph 7 no2 0.5 no3 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) Depending on the level of salt your using I would up it to 1 table spoon for 1 gallon and treat with kanaplex and metroplex together as metroplex treats aeromonas bacteria a common cause of Dropsy the salt will help reduce the fluid buildup imagitarium bacterial remedy is not very effective when treating dropsy Edited March 20, 2022 by Colu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 This is a really, really, really hard one. I may have cured my Betta of it (pine coning left but he was still misshapen), BUT the treatment may have caused other internal failures and he never recovered. There are lots of treatments on youtube and I can't tell you how many I watched. I did epsom salt baths and aquarium salt in his tank, water changes and melafix I believe. Treatment was very obviously hard on him. I wish you all sorts of luck and hope you can help your Betta pull through. 😞 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 She's in 1T salt per gallon. I'll see what meds I can find tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Sadly once pineconning and very noticeable signs of dropsy appear the liver and kidneys are shutting down making it impossible for them to push out the fluid osmosis brings in. However I have heard a time or two where folks brought them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quikv6 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I think you should focus on getting that nitrite down to zero first and foremost. I believe it would be hard for a fish to recover from dropsy in anything short of good water quality/parameters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 quikv6 I agree, but I read conflicting info online, some said to use water from the tank to avoid shocking her, some said use all fresh. I compromised and used half and half. I think the small heater I put in there (it doesn't maintain a temp sadly) may have contributed to the nitrite increase. I have an airstone in there but no filter, bc of adding meds. I'm getting an antibiotic today and will do a complete change both for the water quality and to start her fresh with a different med. I will also increase salt from 1T/gal to 2T/gal, which was also suggested, since she's been in the 1T water for four days now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 Here's the photo in a more accessible size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideyon Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I'm going to try water change, catappa leaves. I'm a little worried about salt at the moment. I keep hearing that the survivability is so low, less than 1%, that I'm not going to stress him out too much. Im not sure what to do.... Just make it easier, or treat to just prolong the inevitable because it can't cure the damage on the inside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 I am in the same boat, but I also read online that success rates are higher than they used to be because of better treatment options. https://www.theaquariumguide.com/articles/how-to-euthanize-a-fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quikv6 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I am sorry to hear about your betta. An Epsom salt bath may help ease the swelling. While the chances are slim, I think the best chance would be if your betta is eating. If so, perhaps you can combine Kanaplex w/Focus to the food. Getting a med ingested may be the most direct, quickest way to give a chance of recovery. Best of luck. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 She's not eating, unfortunately. But she still moves around now and then, coming up to the surface then going back under a rock. I did a complete water change on my lunch break, increased the aquarium salt (2T/gal) and I added the antibiotic I could get at Petco, Melafix. Several people mentioned epsom salts, I had no idea that was fish safe. I don't have any but if I have to do another water change I'll look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) Melafix is not a very effective med for treating dropsy it plant oil based treatment I would treat with kanaplex and metroplex or api furan2 with the salt treatment for dropsy Edited March 20, 2022 by Colu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideyon Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 @JoCinWBany update on your betta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 She did not make it. I hope yours fared better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideyon Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 I'm sorry about your betta. Im preparing for the same. He's still with me, but I've run out of options. Just put a little bit of epsom in the tank to get rid of the bloat, and that worked. But pineconing is still there. He also developed a gray patch on his head which I understand is the effect of a parasite, likely triggered by stress. Not sure if it's the cause of dropsy. Aquarium salt is all I have left. I'm almost done with my container. He's more lethargic, not as responsive as before. But when he wants, he swims well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 Wow. I can't believe he's still hanging on. What a heart he has. I have no advice to offer but I'm pulling for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GameCzar Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 1:30 PM, JoCinWB said: She did not make it. I hope yours fared better. Really sorry to hear that. Condolences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 3:55 PM, GameCzar said: Really sorry to hear that. Condolences. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Sorry to hear he didn't make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 2:36 PM, Gideyon said: I'm sorry about your betta. Im preparing for the same. He's still with me, but I've run out of options. Just put a little bit of epsom in the tank to get rid of the bloat, and that worked. But pineconing is still there. He also developed a gray patch on his head which I understand is the effect of a parasite, likely triggered by stress. Not sure if it's the cause of dropsy. Aquarium salt is all I have left. I'm almost done with my container. He's more lethargic, not as responsive as before. But when he wants, he swims well. I hope he's improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideyon Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 8:47 AM, JoCinWB said: I hope he's improved. No. He died last week. Either it was time, or the metroplex/kanaplex combination was too much for him. But his bloat returned, lethargy was worse, and he stopped eating. Now I'm waiting for sunny days so I can sanitize the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 9:19 AM, Gideyon said: No. He died last week. Either it was time, or the metroplex/kanaplex combination was too much for him. But his bloat returned, lethargy was worse, and he stopped eating. Now I'm waiting for sunny days so I can sanitize the tank. I'm so sorry. It sounds like you did everything possible, but he just didn't have the strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideyon Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Did you sanitize for your next occupant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCinWB Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 8/4/2021 at 9:34 AM, Gideyon said: Did you sanitize for your next occupant? I only have a pleco in the tank, he's still looking fine. I had mollies in there, all healthy, but they wouldn't stop birthing babies so I rehomed them. I read dropsy is caused by a bacteria that's common in tanks but only affects fish if they're stressed or otherwise weakened. I hadn't planned to do anything other than keep it clean. I did thoroughly clean the quarantine tank, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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