NorthernAquarist Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Hello, Wanted to share this male Guppy born in our fishroom. The only one of 30 fry that's a male and came out like this. Still getting his colors....Thoughts? TIA and apologies to anyone against Guppy/Endlers Guppy mixing! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmedByFish Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 If I hear you right, you're wondering if it's a hybrid? My N and P class endler males sometimes show orange for a while before showing black. Although the amount of orange on his tail looks guppy-ish to me, the tail seems small, so he might start showing some endler-style black in the next couple weeks. My best guess is that he's got some of both, but I'd say to give it at least 2 weeks to see what the colors do. Regardless, he's pretty. 🙂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Playz Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I have some hybrids that look really cool that I have raised since fry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMYVET Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I think it’s a beautiful fish!! @Taco Playz your as very nice too!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Playz Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernAquarist Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 Thanks for the replies everyone, and great looking fish @Taco Playz ! We are still new to the Poecilla but have already had some nice surprises like this guy. Was trying to find similar fish online, to name it lol. But I think we will wait like @CalmedByFishmentioned to see if more Endler comes out. Temp in tank where he and his 29 sisters were born was 78°F....so I'm guessing if temp was 80°F it would have produced a more even ratio of m/f. May put some fancy females in a tank with him, see what jumps out the gene pool! Thanks again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmedByFish Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) On 7/12/2021 at 9:01 AM, NorthernAquarist said: Temp in tank where he and his 29 sisters were born was 78°F....so I'm guessing if temp was 80°F it would have produced a more even ratio of m/f. Ooh! Fill me in on this info, please! My endlers have had about 25 fry who are now old enough to identify the boys. There are only 3. The tank's temp range is 74-77. I've heard that if you remove males, they'll make more to even out the population, but the only male with them is the dad. So what's this temp info? Edit: correct temp range Edited July 12, 2021 by CalmedByFish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 They are Beautiful. I have some they stay smaller but are beautiful. Endless have been less line bred so possibly stronger genetics 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardedbillygoat1975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 @NorthernAquaristI think it will be interesting to see how he looks in another month. As @CalmedByFishindicated those are not his final coloration. Keep posting here with pics! I have some P and K class Endlers that are a lot of fun. this one is the most interesting I call him Don Johnson as he looks like an episode of Miami Vice kind of a cool neon blue and pink. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmedByFish Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 @Beardedbillygoat1975 Superb blue! Is that just the pic, or is the blue actually that vibrant? BTW, I just noticed your signature. Cardiology has been of help to 1 of my kids. On behalf of all the parents out there, thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardedbillygoat1975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 @CalmedByFishThe Japan Blues are indeed that blue. No filter on that pic. Obtained them from LRB. They are stunners. I only have a couple female Endlers so I will need to get them bred out this fall and winter. The other one “Miami Vice” was an offspring from a Japan blue female and a black bar male. My black bar colony is gone due to a livebearer illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmedByFish Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 11:42 AM, Beardedbillygoat1975 said: @CalmedByFishThe Japan Blues are indeed that blue. My black bar colony is gone due to a livebearer illness. Really gorgeous. Sorry about your black bar colony though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernAquarist Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 10:47 AM, CalmedByFish said: Ooh! Fill me in on this info, please! My endlers have had about 25 fry who are now old enough to identify the boys. There are only 3. The tank's temp range is 74-77. I've heard that if you remove males, they'll make more to even out the population, but the only male with them is the dad. So what's this temp info? Edit: correct temp range I have read that higher Temps produce more males and lower produce more females. This was research done in wild caught though, so maybe different for tank bred? Maybe not just temp plays a role, but general hardness? Although same tank parameters and same temp for another set of fry born in tank beside this one produced about 40 although some were snacked on....we saved 32 and 12 are male....but different males bred with the same plain endler females...very different results! I continue to scratch my head in wonder lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardedbillygoat1975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 @NorthernAquaristI do think there’s a bit of a difference I get more females in fall/winter and males in spring/summer so I think the research is correct in my experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernAquarist Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 12:04 PM, Beardedbillygoat1975 said: @NorthernAquaristI think it will be interesting to see how he looks in another month. As @CalmedByFishindicated those are not his final coloration. Keep posting here with pics! I have some P and K class Endlers that are a lot of fun. this one is the most interesting I call him Don Johnson as he looks like an episode of Miami Vice kind of a cool neon blue and pink. Yeah definitely will, and great looking fish! Really nice blues, the Miami Vice one is interesting. Can't find any Japanese lineage around here so a bitnof a treat to see them lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernAquarist Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 12:42 PM, Beardedbillygoat1975 said: @CalmedByFishThe Japan Blues are indeed that blue. No filter on that pic. Obtained them from LRB. They are stunners. I only have a couple female Endlers so I will need to get them bred out this fall and winter. The other one “Miami Vice” was an offspring from a Japan blue female and a black bar male. My black bar colony is gone due to a livebearer illness. Can't wait to see the 'Miami Vice Endler' line hit the stores ! Sorry to hear about the black bar colony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardedbillygoat1975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 @NorthernAquaristHow far North are you? I know a couple Endler people in upstate New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernAquarist Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 12:57 PM, Beardedbillygoat1975 said: @NorthernAquaristHow far North are you? I know a couple Endler people in upstate New York. Ottawa, ON Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardedbillygoat1975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Yep too far north although if you drive south you could grab some but imagine the border might be an issue. As for The Miami Vice Endler line that would take the kind of tank space I dream about but the Mrs is not ready for. She wants to get me a Fish Shed to ban all but the prettiest displays to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernAquarist Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 1:02 PM, Beardedbillygoat1975 said: Yep too far north although if you drive south you could grab some but imagine the border might be an issue. As for The Miami Vice Endler line that would take the kind of tank space I dream about but the Mrs is not ready for. She wants to get me a Fish Shed to ban all but the prettiest displays to. Yeah I figured we were too far lol....It seems like one just cant ever have enough tank with these fish, eat...breed...eat..breed lol. Prolific is an understatement! Probably have to set up tubs to keep up with it, try to keep them separated as we go for more specific traits... Ah the Mrs doesn't want more tank, that sucks but hey at least there is another option like a shed or other building lol. We got a basement to do this in, but Guppy breeding will probably take this basement over if we are not careful lol. Great looking fish but we do like other fish too! On places like Kijiji people sell them for as little as 50cents, so I see how one can easily hold hundreds over time because you can't sell them due to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardedbillygoat1975 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 When you have too many culls I think that’s where a “pet” fish like an Oscar or Vieja comes into play. My local store will take as many Japan Blues as I can give them. I can’t imagine what they’ll say when I start bringing in my Blue Hawaiian Moscows. That might be a future cross - Japan Blue and a Hawaiian! Aloha! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernAquarist Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 1:18 PM, Beardedbillygoat1975 said: When you have too many culls I think that’s where a “pet” fish like an Oscar or Vieja comes into play. My local store will take as many Japan Blues as I can give them. I can’t imagine what they’ll say when I start bringing in my Blue Hawaiian Moscows. That might be a future cross - Japan Blue and a Hawaiian! Aloha! Oooh that would be a nice cross for sure, just the name alone right, lol sold! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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