Fish Folk Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) Going to try again to get our Rainbow Shiners to spawn. Added a small Aquatop water pump for flow. The Hydor Powerhead we had been using awhile back had slots large enough for them to get stuck in, and (sadly) decapitated a few. Also, following advice from other Hydrophlox Shiner breeders, I’ve layered the stones in the Pyrex container deeper to capture eggs. Interesting fact: there are two color varieties of Rainbow Shiners. The Red-sided variety, and these — the Blue variety. While both males develop power blue fins, this subspecies does not glow nearly as orange-red when in spawning mode. I will pull the container on Thursday to see if any eggs got caught. Edited May 10, 2021 by Fish Folk 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 They're absolutely gorgeous! I had no idea there were two kinds of color variations. Hope you get viable eggs soon! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Irene said: They're absolutely gorgeous! I had no idea there were two kinds of color variations. Hope you get viable eggs soon! Thanks! Here’s a few photos showing the variety of colors they come in. Some collectors say that the Red Rainbows are found more frequently in the northeastern portion of their range, while the Blue Rainbows are more in the southwestern portion. PVAS welcomed Michael Lucas from NANFA last weekend. He gave an interesting presentation on collecting Hydrophlox Shiners in the wild. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Peace Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Whoa! Those are eyecatchers! Love the iridescent colours. Good luck with your project! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 They should fire up red when they are ready to spawn. I would pump up the female to speed it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, WhitecloudDynasty said: pump up the female to speed it up Feedings? What exactly are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric R Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Following! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Fish Folk said: Feedings? What exactly are you referring to? I feed alot freeze dry tubifex worm. They should fire up pink/red when they are spawn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 The males are all fired up today! First time they’ve really put on the spawning colors. No certain idea what may have triggered them... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Fish Folk said: The males are all fired up today! First time they’ve really put on the spawning colors. No certain idea what may have triggered them... It the scent of a ready female that trigger them..look for a blond or redder female..thats the female that is ready. They look great by the way! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 @WhitecloudDynasty Wow, I love that guy's explanation of what the ready vs. not ready females look like. Thanks for sharing this! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, WhitecloudDynasty said: It the scent of a ready female that trigger them..look for a blond or redder female..thats the female that is ready. They look great by the way! Yes!!! There is one female also colored up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 Here she is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Irene said: that guy's explanation I think that guy is @WhitecloudDynasty himself! (Is that right?) Great video! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 38 minutes ago, Hobbit said: I think that guy is @WhitecloudDynasty himself! (Is that right?) Great video! Correct! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irene Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 3:03 PM, Hobbit said: I think that guy is @WhitecloudDynasty himself! (Is that right?) Great video! Lol, I didn't even notice the channel name! Yes, great video, @WhitecloudDynasty! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Loca Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Bought a school of shiners from @WhitecloudDynasty back in October and they are doing fantastic! I have a 100 gallon Rubbermaid pond in my basement for them and the males just recently colored up for breeding mode! Any idea how long that lasts? Like, what's the window of opportunity for breeding these guys? I remember emailing @WhitecloudDynasty when I bought them about growing them in a pond, but I don't think I ever asked about what kind of setup, (rock piles, plants, ECT.) they should have for best results. I hope to colony breed these guys if possible. If not I am willing to put in the work for these beautiful fish. Will snails be an issue with them potentially eating eggs? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, Rana Loca said: Bought a school of shiners from @WhitecloudDynasty back in October and they are doing fantastic! I have a 100 gallon Rubbermaid pond in my basement for them and the males just recently colored up for breeding mode! Any idea how long that lasts? Like, what's the window of opportunity for breeding these guys? I remember emailing @WhitecloudDynasty when I bought them about growing them in a pond, but I don't think I ever asked about what kind of setup, (rock piles, plants, ECT.) they should have for best results. I hope to colony breed these guys if possible. If not I am willing to put in the work for these beautiful fish. Will snails be an issue with them potentially eating eggs? He’s got several helpful Rainbow Shiners spawning set up videos. Option 1: pile small round rocks in a removable container about 3-4 inches deep and place inside a bare tank / tub. Once shivers spawn, remove the container to another tank. This is what I’m trying. Option 2: put a few adult breeding shiners into a tank with enough moss to capture eggs. After 35-48 hrs, remove the adults. LR Bretz has a video about - variation on this, improvising on a Ted Judy method for tetras where a smaller tank with the bottom cut out and replaced with a screen is suspended inside of a larger tank so eggs will fall through the screen. Option 3: in an outdoor tub / pond, place breeding shiners in a small pond basket near an inflow / water pump and let them drop eggs through the holes into the pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Rana Loca said: Bought a school of shiners from @WhitecloudDynasty back in October and they are doing fantastic! I have a 100 gallon Rubbermaid pond in my basement for them and the males just recently colored up for breeding mode! Any idea how long that lasts? Like, what's the window of opportunity for breeding these guys? I remember emailing @WhitecloudDynasty when I bought them about growing them in a pond, but I don't think I ever asked about what kind of setup, (rock piles, plants, ECT.) they should have for best results. I hope to colony breed these guys if possible. If not I am willing to put in the work for these beautiful fish. Will snails be an issue with them potentially eating eggs? As long as you can get the females ready,.they can and will breed year round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, WhitecloudDynasty said: As long as you can get the females ready,.they can and will breed year round So what’s some keys for getting them ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Fish Folk said: So what’s some keys for getting them ready? This is how I do mine, since everyone thought about conditioning their fish are different. Male gets normal feeding with a touch bit more vitamin E. I like my male slim and actively fit. Female gets live/dry food. I up the amount of food per week, and I feed food that have more vitamin B6 and vitamin B12(help produce more eggs, and early embryonic development). I like my female plump, not fat. Theyll need time off from the males to produce eggs without all the stress/attention the male givens them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Rana Loca said: Bought a school of shiners from @WhitecloudDynasty back in October and they are doing fantastic! I have a 100 gallon Rubbermaid pond in my basement for them and the males just recently colored up for breeding mode! Any idea how long that lasts? Like, what's the window of opportunity for breeding these guys? I remember emailing @WhitecloudDynasty when I bought them about growing them in a pond, but I don't think I ever asked about what kind of setup, (rock piles, plants, ECT.) they should have for best results. I hope to colony breed these guys if possible. If not I am willing to put in the work for these beautiful fish. Will snails be an issue with them potentially eating eggs? By the way @CoryI didn't advetise any fish nor I planned to sell any to the forum member. Some people did asked about my stocking lv so I asked them to move it to my personal email. Hopefully I didn't cross any line, selling fishing on here isn't my intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rana Loca Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 12 hours ago, WhitecloudDynasty said: By the way @CoryI didn't advetise any fish nor I planned to sell any to the forum member. Some people did asked about my stocking lv so I asked them to move it to my personal email. Hopefully I didn't cross any line, selling fishing on here isn't my intention. Yeah sorry, I bought from @WhitecloudDynasty on get gills. I didn't even realize he was on the forum until this thread. I'm glad to see him here! I just recognized the name and the video he posted. Sorry if my post caused any trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Rana Loca said: Yeah sorry, I bought from @WhitecloudDynasty on get gills. I didn't even realize he was on the forum until this thread. I'm glad to see him here! I just recognized the name and the video he posted. Sorry if my post caused any trouble. It not a problem, I just want to let Cory know, just in case some people would think wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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