Colu
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It's sound like you've had couple of things going on a parasitc infection with being lethargic sunken belly that can also weaken there immune system leading to secondary bacterial infections what I would do is @Odd Ducktreatment protocol for parasitic infections you can use paracleanse active ingredient praziquantel and metronidazole and expel p active ingredient levamisole I wouldn't recommend Melafix for anything serious it more of mild antiseptic treatment @Sondra Bradshaw
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It could be over production of the slime coat caused by poor water quality as at @xXInkedPhoenixXsuggest another possibilities is a bacterial infection such columnaris what are your water parameters ammonia nitrite nitrate pH KH GH temperature @GoofyGarra
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On 3/29/2024 at 5:01 PM, Sondra Bradshaw said:
No I can't see your replies
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I would follow do a large water change and run active carbon for 24hr to remove any remaining medication then do a course of kanaplex @AnxiousAndFishious
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Mollies like hard water Your KH is on the low side for mollies they do best with a KH of 180- 280ppm from what I have read low KH can cause a lot of health issues with liverbears I would raise your KH you can add crushed coral to the substrate or in media bag in your filter you would have to add one pound of crushed coral per 10 gallons @Henry the fish keeper
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How long have you had the fish before the first death and how long between the fish showing symptoms and dieing When you first started losing did notice if you had an ammonia or nitrite spike have you noticed any other symptoms such rapid breathing hanging out near the surface lethargy spitting food out white stringy poop over production of the slime coat @Sondra Bradshaw
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Possible hole in the head with secondary bacterial infections most effective treatment is metronidazole active ingredient in metroplex or fritz metrocleanse feeding a small amount twice a day for 3 weeks and dose the tank with kanaplex salt is not an effective treatment for hole in the head I would get the medication I recommended and start treatment straight away @B1gJ4k3
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On 3/29/2024 at 1:00 AM, Sciurus said:
@Colu when should i start the second week of paracleanse. Should i start it a week after i started or on day 5 after the 25% waterchange or the next day?
You want to treat two weeks after the first so the second course will be at the start of week 3 then the third course on week 5
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You can do a course of kanaplex that a broad spectrum antibiotic treatment but it can be harmful to shrimp it's not very effective in food as very little of the medication is adsorbed by the intestinal tract you could quarantine your fish if you have another tank or a tote or remove the shrimp and then treat with kanaplex maracyn oxy active ingredient is sodium chloride essential salt so it would be more effective against fungal infection @AnxiousAndFishious
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Sorry for your loss
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With how quickly the Cardinal are dieing something else could be going on what I would suggest is stop treating with paracleanse for now there could be a bacterial component to what going on and do a course of maracyn or maracyn2 which every one is more readily available both are shrimp safe @AnxiousAndFishious
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It's not very likely for shrimp to have bought in parasites if your betta was lone for a long period of time in that tank chances of your betta having a parasitc infection that's now affecting your endlers is less likely unless there came in with a parasitc infection from your sister tank I would check your tap waters KH and GH just to make sure your tap water hasn't changed low KH and GH can cause a lot of health issues in liverbears diet what are you feeding and how often
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On 3/28/2024 at 6:09 AM, Cjbear087 said:
So the expel-p arrives on Friday, do you reckon the fish will be able to survive until then, I will start treating then
It probably will survive till then camallanus worms can cause internal damage when your fish has a high parasite burden even with treatment it may still die I would still treat all of your fish with 4 full courses of expel p. you don't need to start a new thread each time you ask a question just continue on the original thread it makes it easy to follow
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On 3/28/2024 at 12:55 AM, Whitecloud09 said:
@Colu, ok, what is the name again? I read it but thought that you might’ve missed spelled something because I looked up “kio sedate” and only KOI sedate showed up. Is that it?
Sorry typo koi sedate the one you want
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On 3/28/2024 at 2:34 AM, Sciurus said:
After the first week of treatment, the ram seems to be more interested in food, but still doesn't actively go after it during feeding time. I can see that its pooping, however its mostly white/stringy, but occasionally I can see bits of brown in there, so im assuming its eating something.
Keep treating with paracleanse the fact that he's showing more interest in food is a good sign
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Possible parasitic infection you can get the odd random deaths weeks apart I can't be a 100% that's what's going on if you have introduced fish recently and didn't quarantine it would be worth while doing three full courses of paracleanse two weeks apart so you would want to treat on week 1 week 3 week 5 @AnxiousAndFishious
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On 3/28/2024 at 1:12 AM, AnxiousAndFishious said:
Yes, first guy to die came to me with rapid breathing and wasn’t super active, and towards the end only hung out near the top (I got him from my sister who keeps them in a 30g community tank—she says she hasn’t had any deaths but I wonder if there’s so many fish she just hasn’t noticed any missing)
All of them towards the end stay at the top of the tank in the plants, very lethargic. They spit out the medicated food, even the healthy ones avoid it, that’s why I wanted to broadcast the med. Before death there was food refusal and the third (most recent) to die, I did see a single stringy white poop, right before I medicated the tank with paracleanse. I wasn’t sure if that was from a lack of eating or parasite/worm, but at that point already guessed it was a parasite/worm problem.
No flashing, no sunken belly. I attached pictures of the last to die.
this was him Saturday when I added him back to the main tank figuring I would treat the whole tank (in case the others had it or if the parasite/worms survive in the tank without a host) at this point he’d had several days of aquarium salt and FixIck (gentian violet) with minimal noticeable improvement (he wasn’t always at the top of the tank, but he hid near the bottom of the quarantine more than he swam or was active)
Later that night, poop string and hovering near the top which is what he spent most of the day doing. (Pictured above)
at this point I dosed with Paracleanse
by Tuesday morning he was on the bottom of the substrate and died later that day. I did a 50% water change and added a dose of Paracleanse (their instructions are another dose on day 3) by this morning, two of my caridinas were dead.
4 remaining endlers are all active, eating (though they avoid medicated food) and seem great, but one is a major bully.
What your water parameters ammonia nitrite nitrate pH KH GH temperature
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With Prime you actually you use less of product to treat your water so it lasts a lot longer than Tetra's aquasafe
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I would keep the temperature below 75 as columnaris spreads more quickly at temperatures over 75 unless you have any fish that requires the higher temperatures in the tank @bbitsaboy
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On 3/27/2024 at 2:55 PM, AnxiousAndFishious said:
I’m having “mysterious” endler deaths. All male group of 7 were added to an established (1 year old) planted shrimp tank (0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, 10 nitrates)
The first death was an older male, so I wasn’t overly surprised. He wasn’t that active from when I got him and seemed to breathe a little heavy but was otherwise fine and eating. I figured he was just older.
The next death was a week/week and a half (I’d have to check dates) later. He started behaving like the other had before death, separated from the group, resting in the floating plants near the top and within a day or two, he died.
i noticed a third separate from the group and look pale, so this time I removed him to QT, treated with FixIck for its protozoan effects, and fed kanaplex while I waited for paracleanse to arrive.
I was worried to dose the entire tank with the shrimp in it, because I don’t understand how metronidozole is only safe in food for Metroplex but can be broadcast in Paracleanse and is apparently shrimp safe according to Aquarium Co-op.
i ended up giving in and trusting Aquarium Co-Op and dosing the display tank for all the fish. The third sick one still died. Remaining 4 seem active and healthy as ever.
Second dose of Paracleanse on Day 3 (following Fritz instructions) and I’ve had 2 caridina deaths, so water changed 20% this morning
Any rapid breathing hanging out near the surface lethargy flashing spitting food out sunken belly white stringy poop any Reddening to the body or over production of the slime coat
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Am going to tag @Guppysnailas she has a lot of experience with mystery snail
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Looks like an aggressive bacterial infections could be columnaris that's a gram negative bacterial infection that spreads more quickly at higher temperatures and can kill in 24hr to 7 days depending on the stain the most effective treatment I have found is kanaplex and jungal fungus clear fizz tabs containing nitrofurazone following this treatment plan I would quarantine any showing symptoms and start treatment straight away keep treating with API fin and body cure as you have it to hand and up level of aquarium salt 1 table spoon for 1 gallon is what i would do if you don't have kanaplex and jungal fungus clear fizz tabs to hand @bbitsaboy
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Depending on how long they were exposed to that level of ammonia you would want to add salt to help with ammonia poisoning you would need to use 1 table spoon for 1 gallon I would monitor and only up the salt to 1 table spoon for 1 gallon if your seeing signs of ammonia burn such as black patches on the body or fins redding of the gills @Guppysnail
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Sick Fish?
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A little more information would be helpful what are your water parameters ammonia nitrite nitrate pH KH GH temperature what symptoms are you seeing can you post picture of the Sick fish