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Anybody else have gold nugget plecos, L018?


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I’m trying to determine the sex of my gold nugget pleco, L018.  I’m looking to compare genital papillae. If you have pictures of the ventrum, specifically of the genital papilla, we might be able to tell some difference between male and female using a comparison to other species and comparison between multiple individuals. Let’s put some information together and see what we can figure out, if anything.

Pic of topside then ventrum of mine that I suspect may be a male.

 

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here is an article with info:

 https://badmanstropicalfish.com/gold-nugget-pleco/#-_How_Can_You_Tell_If_a_Fish_Is_Male_or_Female

From what I'm reading, it is nearly impossible to sex them until (1) they're fully mature (2) you have males and females to compare against

The entire internet seems agreed they can't be bred at home . . . which makes me want to break the internet, and prove it wrong!

As @Brandon p suggests, a top-down photo is very helpful. Can you get a wide pan, drain some tank water in, and temporarily move your pleco there to get a clear top-down photo?

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There is pretty much zero chance that I’ll be able to catch this kiddo out of the 100 G, heavy planted nanofish tank with 3 wood pieces, a stack of slate and 6 pleco caves.  I’m pretty sure I would have to strip the tank to get him out.  I’m hoping if we get enough pics that using that as a comparison, plus overall width of head relative to body, shapes of noses, etc, that we might be able to better determine sex.  Trying to build a data base.

I’ve spent most of this morning reading reports, have read both of the “breeding reports” on the other site that is all about different kinds of catfish (one is barely any info).  I’ve already read the link you posted @Fish Folk, plus about a dozen others.  If we can compile enough data points, I think we can do it.

@Hilary, are the ventrum photos you posted at significantly different ages?  The second photo has no distinction to the papilla and the fish just looks younger (notably more translucent skin, for instance) but in the first photo, the genital papilla looks very similar to my subadult common plecos and they are both definitively male.  I’m not certain that my kiddo is mature enough to sex, but my gut is telling me my kid is hitting tween to teen just based on size and recent behavior.  My guy’s skin and papilla area looks much more similar to your second photo than your first photo.

The most significant report I found was somebody that had a powerhead that happened to be aimed at a cave where breeding took place.  They are a fast stream species and that seemed to be what triggered the first breeding and fairly reliably triggered other breedings, according to that report.  There was another report that suggested tubes instead of caves and aiming a small powerhead right through the tube.

On 4/9/2022 at 10:09 AM, Fish Folk said:

here is an article with info:

 https://badmanstropicalfish.com/gold-nugget-pleco/#-_How_Can_You_Tell_If_a_Fish_Is_Male_or_Female

From what I'm reading, it is nearly impossible to sex them until (1) they're fully mature (2) you have males and females to compare against

The entire internet seems agreed they can't be bred at home . . . which makes me want to break the internet, and prove it wrong!

As @Brandon p suggests, a top-down photo is very helpful. Can you get a wide pan, drain some tank water in, and temporarily move your pleco there to get a clear top-down photo?

If I could catch him, I would be planning to put him in with the angels.  He’s really going to get larger than I wanted for the nanofish tank.  I had no other suitable tank when I got him, so this is where he went when he got done with his QT so many months ago.

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This Canadian cracks me up. I remember these interviews with a German catfish specialist, Daniel Konn-Vetterlein…

You might also reach out to Freshwater Exotics, and seek to learn specific information on the waters where these are collected…

https://freshwaterexotics.com/l18-baryancistrus-xanthellus-gold-nugget-cw/
 

They might be able to share with you precise measurements… TDS, Conductivity, etc. 

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On 4/9/2022 at 8:55 PM, Fish Folk said:

Look into this…

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Pretty easy to place anywhere. External magnet holds in place well. We used to trigger Corydoras to breed.

I’m using one now with my Redbelly Dace. 

That’s what I was planning, but I only have one gold nugget so far and don’t know gender.

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Any other gold nugget pics?  Even unknown gender.  I’m just looking for comparisons.  Mature, or immature.  Doesn’t matter.  Best would be a pic on the glass of whole body and one of the vent area.  Top down and side of the head would also be helpful.

Thanks!

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On 4/12/2022 at 6:55 PM, Guppysnail said:

If you can do this you will forever be a fish catching deity!

I know, it’s ridiculous!  But he has a favorite spot and I might just get stupid lucky and be able to just pick him up if he’s in “his spot”.  Otherwise, the chase hand into the fixed net would be my next tactic.

I swear this boy is coming into puberty.  He’s always been active, but he’s getting more and more active, restless acting.  His ventral skin is getting more opaque and mature looking, and his genital papilla is looking more and more like my male common plecos every day.

It’s stupid to even think about the timing on this, but I might start looking for another big tank.  What is wrong with me?  🤦🏻‍♀️ 🤦🏻‍♀️ 🤦🏻‍♀️ 

You can tell I’ve been spending far too much of my free time thinking about this if I’m seriously contemplating getting another big tank and free handing my favorite pleco of all time into it.  🤦🏻‍♀️ 

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