Atitagain Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 First off of wanna thank @Fish Folk for having such an interesting thread about these fish. Their breading behaviors is what first drew me in. He showed 10-12 shiners circling a grouping of mid size stones and it was crazy. I couldn’t stop watching for a bit, if you haven’t seen this check out his thread it is well worth it. it was this journal that inspired me to look into native species for the first time. The coloring of these fish does “shine” the speckled blue in them is amazing. And when the males are ready to breed they get very red. I seen this for the first time today, was one of those “OMG come look at what their doing, I can’t believe how beautiful this is IRL” wife’s response ”ok that’s nice, ummm I’m making tortilla soup for dinner is that ok?” im not sure officially they are schooling fish but they certainly do in my tank. I have 7 in this tank (I believe 2M 5F) 1F in another tank. The flow in my tank starts from the right with a power head then a small wall mounted air filter pushing water back down the tank. The same female is always towards the left end generally weaving in the current. The other 6 stay fairly tight packed about 6-8” behind her. All as though they are swimming upstream. Feeding time she falls back with the group and they seem to always face upstream weaving side to side and up and down. Rarely if ever do they eat moving downstream, they just reposition themselves and head back upstream. this is where they live⬇️I believe I have enough cover and hides for them to rest from the current. this is a video short of what I believe is spawning 🫣👀 A very big thank you to @WhitecloudDynasty these are very hardy and beautiful examples of an amazing breed of fish. I hope I can pass along many generations of them and keep them as healthy as you have. 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Awesome! You need about 20x more now. It’s best to have 3-5 males for every female. I checked my wigglers today — looking lively. Great wife-quote 😂 Thats 100% how my wife is. I think we should start a “NERM-Spouse Support Group” here on the Forum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrey Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 ORD😍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atitagain Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 @Fish Folk I see why you say they “fire up” the coloring on the males is awesome. I tried to get some pics or a better video but they would not leave that corner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Hasn’t @Fish Folk done a post with a fish with Rainbow Shiner-ish fish which are red and yellow? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 6/20/2022 at 6:58 AM, TheSwissAquarist said: Hasn’t @Fish Folk done a post with a fish with Rainbow Shiner-ish fish which are red and yellow? You may be referring to are spawning colors for Saffron Shiners -- Notropis rubricroceous. Rainbow Shiners -- Notropis chrosomus -- so sometimes turn hot-salmon-pink when "fired up" for spawning. Both of these species belong to the Hydrophlox shiner family. There are a handful of them that are very beautiful, especially when spawning. For another species altogether that are dramatic in spawning dress, look up Fiery-Black Shiners. Not Hydrophlox, but they are wildly beautiful. I wouldn't try them in anything smaller than a 55 gal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I'm glad to see you are enjoying them lol. The should get darker and hold their color with age. On 6/20/2022 at 9:57 AM, Fish Folk said: For another species altogether that are dramatic in spawning dress, look up Fiery-Black Shiners. Not Hydrophlox, but they are wildly beautiful. I wouldn't try them in anything smaller than a 55 gal. Have I ever told you I bred fiery black before, they are awesome fish but can be bossy at time. 2male and 1 female 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) On 6/21/2022 at 3:13 AM, WhitecloudDynasty said: Have I ever told you I bred fiery black before, they are awesome fish but can be bossy at time. That’s awesome! How did you collect the eggs? A breeder out in CA told me he used to drop in the ribbed bio wheels from Marineland HOB filters. I guess they’d jam eggs into the cracks. Edited June 21, 2022 by Fish Folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Duck Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 5:25 AM, Fish Folk said: That’s awesome! How did you collect the eggs? A breeder out in CA told me he used to drop in the ribbed bio wheels from Marineland HOB filters. I guess they’d jam eggs into the cracks. If you decide to do this, I have extra biowheels I can send you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 6:25 AM, Fish Folk said: That’s awesome! How did you collect the eggs? A breeder out in CA told me he used to drop in the ribbed bio wheels from Marineland HOB filters. I guess they’d jam eggs into the cracks. Mine like to breed in pair and like to hug the side of the glass or sponge filter. I have also bred them in pvc cut the long way and have the egg drop into the gravel. I can see the bio wheel working well also. Was that breed name phil? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 4:40 PM, WhitecloudDynasty said: Mine like to breed in pair and like to hug the side of the glass or sponge filter. I have also bred them in pvc cut the long way and have the egg drop into the gravel. I can see the bio wheel working well also. Was that breed name phil? Yes, it was Phil from CA. He had extras he wanted to move along. But I didn't have tank space available. Really stunning fish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atitagain Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 @WhitecloudDynasty @Fish Folk can you confirm these are shiner fry? They look like to me but I’m not calling them shiners without confirmation or they make it and grow out. I seen two for sure both hanging in the low slow moving water behind a big stump. Reason I’m hesitant this set up is only 2-ish months old and I guess a possibility bringing from another tank. I’ve added some Java moss and will start feeding more and get fry food. Any suggestions? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 @Atitagain have you had the R. Shiners in there for 2x months? From spawn to free-swim, it’s about a week for me. It’s possible. I don’t remember mine having those dark lines. What else could they be?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atitagain Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 The R. Shiners have been in the tank 5 days short of 2 months. Tank was running couple days before that I believe. Not sure what else they could be I have a wide selection and I’m not very careful about dipping nets into multiple tanks, ive moved a couple plants from my tetra tank in their ( cardinal, glowlight, ) I have WCMM but their outside and everything kept separated. Otocinclus I can’t really think of others with that line would make sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 7:55 PM, Atitagain said: @WhitecloudDynasty @Fish Folk can you confirm these are shiner fry? They look like to me but I’m not calling them shiners without confirmation or they make it and grow out. I seen two for sure both hanging in the low slow moving water behind a big stump. Reason I’m hesitant this set up is only 2-ish months old and I guess a possibility bringing from another tank. I’ve added some Java moss and will start feeding more and get fry food. Any suggestions? It's hard to say..wait til they are a bit older Here's some that are 2 week old 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) On 6/21/2022 at 9:04 PM, Atitagain said: The R. Shiners have been in the tank 5 days short of 2 months. Tank was running couple days before that I believe. Not sure what else they could be I have a wide selection and I’m not very careful about dipping nets into multiple tanks, ive moved a couple plants from my tetra tank in their ( cardinal, glowlight, ) I have WCMM but their outside and everything kept separated. Otocinclus I can’t really think of others with that line would make sense. Try checking up high some, along the surface for more. Sometimes R.Shiners hug the stones on bottom from where they hatch. Other times they hide up top if you have anything they could find for cover -- e.g. long Valisneria, Duckweed, etc. Edited June 22, 2022 by Fish Folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atitagain Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 When the shiners were spawning I set up a breeder box that cycles water continuously and added a bit of PSO. I waited a couple hours then took a turkey baster and lightly hovering over the area a couple times then “gravel vac” the area gently. Placed all that into the breeder box and was just hopeful something would happen. IT DID!!! I love seeing fry it’s such a rush every time. And that’s why I love having fish breed in my tanks opposed to being a fish breeder. this is so exciting because I believe with the fry found in the tank and now in the box, it’s encouraging I have a favorable set up. Also I love live baby brine shrimp 🦐 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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