Ruud Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I am having some 60x30x33cm (60 Liter or almost 16 gallon) tanks empty and I am wondering if that would be too small to breed some of the smaller L number place's like L260, 333, 046 etc. Most people seem to breed them in 40 gallons and up but I don't have those tanks available nor the space. Is this do-able or am I better off using them to spawn Corys or Apisto's for instance. I'd really like to try to spawn L numbers though. Thanks for the wisdom all! Ruud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenman Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 My Super Reds breed in my ten-gallon tank, so you should be able to do it. A smaller tank can make it easier to give them the current they crave also. By the way, I didn't plan on them spawning there, they just did it on their own. Stopping them from spawning is more of an issue than getting them to spawn. If you want to try and spawn the L number plecos, give it a shot. Give them good water, good food, the right conditions, and they'll likely spawn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 Thanks Gardenman, may I ask how many adult super reds you have in your 10 gallon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenman Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Way too many! They were moved here as fry to avoid overcrowding and have grown up in the ten. There are currently four full sized adults, about twenty-ish midsize young adults from their first spawn and maybe another twenty smaller fry from their second spawn. There are also a few smaller younger surviving fry from a more recent spawn. Yeah, all in a ten-gallon tank. Suffice to say I've had to up the filtration substantially. And they're still spawning. To say Super Reds are prolific is an understatement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/4/2022 at 5:41 PM, Ruud said: Thanks Gardenman, may I ask how many adult super reds you have in your 10 gallon? A fellow fish friend has bred L134s (love them!) in the equivalent of a 54 gal... Keep us posted on how it goes @Ruud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The endler guy Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/4/2022 at 9:13 AM, Ruud said: I am having some 60x30x33cm (60 Liter or almost 16 gallon) tanks empty and I am wondering if that would be too small to breed some of the smaller L number place's like L260, 333, 046 etc. Most people seem to breed them in 40 gallons and up but I don't have those tanks available nor the space. Is this do-able or am I better off using them to spawn Corys or Apisto's for instance. I'd really like to try to spawn L numbers though. Thanks for the wisdom all! Ruud Plecos are so cool (especially the l numbers!) I wish I had one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 6:08 PM, TheSwissAquarist said: A fellow fish friend has bred L134s (love them!) in the equivalent of a 54 gal... Keep us posted on how it goes @Ruud 20 years ago I had L134 and L260 - both prob my favorite L numbers but back then they were about 25 to 30 euro each. Now L134 are very pricey if you can find them. Your friend, does he ship to spain?? 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anewbie Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I think it depends on the species - bn pleco might be tight as they breed like rabbits; But zebra pleco are smaller and IF successful you might be lucky to get 12 fry per littler. Still for overall water quality it is definitely on the smaller side unless you are diligent on doing regular larger water changes. My lemon blue eye pleco breed in my 40B (about 3 times larger) community tank; and my general view is I'm looking for a reliable contraceptive for that pair. I have 8 L204 and i'll probably put some real effort into breeding them after i move but I think i'll want something at least as larger as a 20 long. The males are a bit territorial and sometime they get a bit grumpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardedbillygoat1975 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 10-20 g work it’s just all the Hypancistrus have very meaty diets so filtration and water quality will be of utmost priority. With the upfront costs of buying them and their food needs on the more expensive side I think a lot of breeders go big for the stability of the water quality and to protect their investment. A 40 breeder can handle the swings you get with heavy feeding of high protein foods. I’d have a very strict water change regimen to start like every other day and then settle in to 2-3 x a week. I’d go bare bottom. Make the openings of your pleco condos big enough to easily vacuum. Best of luck!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) On 11/5/2022 at 12:03 AM, Beardedbillygoat1975 said: I’d go bare bottom Bare bottom also helps when it comes to catching the fry...I bred BN plecos in a 20 gal riverbed style aquarium and have yet to catch out the fry! Edited November 5, 2022 by TheSwissAquarist Spelingg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I think there are some great suggestions above although i would add sand and rather make a diy bottle trap. I was also wondering if you could hook them up to each other as you say you have several, regarding the question with water params above. With the sand I meant for added water stability and some have said that plecos can be sensitive to bacteria that grows on the bottom glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 That about flow is mostly because they need very high oxygen content and clean water wich is way easier to accomplish with high flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 For pretty much anything my bare bottom size for a tank is a 20L. I would think that gives you room for caves and stuff compared to a 10G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 Thanks for all the input so just to be sure to not confuse gallons and liters. I am talking about 60 liters or approx 16 gallons which is perhaps not ideal but still quite a bit bigger than a 10 gallon. It would be bare bottom indeed for ease of cleaning and well filtrated to house a small colony of small L numbers. Maybe a group of 5 to 6 species depending on what I can find. Thanks for all the input, some great suggestions here! Ruud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishyMike Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Hello there I have a couple groups of L#'s. I have a group of L046 growing out in a 10 gallon. I have a group of L134's in a 40 breeder. I have a group of L236 RB in a 29. To be completely honest a 15 in my opinion is a bit small for 6 of any Lnumber pleco. They do get quite territorial I'm having issusse with my L046's and they are a bit bigger then 2 inches. i would try and get a tank with a bit more tank floor space. if you can get a sexed pair or a throuple you might be okay in your 15 gallon tank! Goood Luck just make sure you have space for more when the L Fever hits you haha. Im FishyMike on youtube 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebdeserio Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) On planet catfish a reputable member had a 15 gallon with a group of 5-6 adults clown plecos (panaqolus maccus) and many fry as well as 4-5 wabenmusters in a 15 gal and had no issues. A group of smaller Ancistrus or Hypancistrus should work as well as long as you have extra filtration and are diligent with water changes. I have a group of 5 l471s in a standard 20 gal and they've spawned a few times. IMO you can get away with a group of 5-6 l129, l340, l471 or l280 and to be on the safer side 4-5 l260 and l046. Edited December 1, 2022 by sebdeserio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtolb15 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 12/1/2022 at 2:58 PM, sebdeserio said: On planet catfish a reputable member had a 15 gallon with a group of 5-6 adults clown plecos (panaqolus maccus) and many fry as well as 4-5 wabenmusters in a 15 gal and had no issues. A group of smaller Ancistrus or Hypancistrus should work as well as long as you have extra filtration and are diligent with water changes. I have a group of 5 l471s in a standard 20 gal and they've spawned a few times. IMO you can get away with a group of 5-6 l129, l340, l471 or l280 and to be on the safer side 4-5 l260 and l046. I currently have 7 "teenager" clown plecos in a 20L growing out with Sterbais. Was considering moving the plecos to a 15gal. With your advice I am now committed to the move! And will thin them out once I see which to keep as breeders. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebdeserio Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/25/2023 at 9:54 PM, Dtolb15 said: I currently have 7 "teenager" clown plecos in a 20L growing out with Sterbais. Was considering moving the plecos to a 15gal. With your advice I am now committed to the move! And will thin them out once I see which to keep as breeders. Thanks!! No problem! This is the thread I was talking about should give you some useful info: https://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtolb15 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/27/2023 at 11:07 PM, sebdeserio said: No problem! This is the thread I was talking about should give you some useful info: https://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41320 Very much appreciated! Thank you for the thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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