Mr. Ed's Aquatics Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I have been working on a new tank for a couple of months with the intention of stocking it with Angels and Rams bred by Dean. Seeing the plants converting well and the cycle complete I told the wife my plans to make the hour drive to the Co-op and get some of master breeder Dean's beauties and was quickly asked "are your fish that you breed not very nice or worth featuring?" I was kinda defensive and explained that I breed different types of fish and no Angels or Rams. My wife (who likes fish, but doesn't have any herself and is a novice at best) then asked "wouldn't it be better for your Appistogrammas, corys, plecos and livebearers since its only a 55? Or did you only want a couple Angel's and Rams?" I'm kinda worried she's right, and I don't just want a couple of Dean's fish. I really want a school of Angels and a couple groups of Rams. What do you all think? Is a 55 too small for what I'm trying? Should I feature hobbyist Mr Ed's fish instead? Or something completely different? I think I really should fix up the empty 100gal for the Angels now. Anyhow, any thoughts appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Ellison Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I feel you would not be able to have schools of angels and rams in a tank that size. It's a beautiful tank though . I especially would think once the angels start spawning it will get to small I n a hurry unfortunately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Blake Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I think a pair of angles or rams would be fine but I probably wouldn't do both in that tank. I would also have some corys and group of small schooling fish with the pair of good looking show angles or rams. You would have to pull the fry or eggs if you wanted to raise them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Ellison Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I think a pair of angels and about 4 rams with plenty of line of sight breaks would be good but that about as far as I'd go with those type fish. You could easily add mollies or platies and Cory's to make it fill more full. I'm also really digging black skirt tera schools 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) Angels, I'd go with a pair or a single one. You can get a bunch and wait until they pair off and return the ones that don't. Rams, you can do two pairs in there. I'd look for bonded pairs at the fish store because they can be picky about their mates. Even if you get two sexes, they might not find each other compatible.. They're both territorial fish with their own species and need plenty of space to establish their own territories. Rams need 20 gallons per pair. Angels and rams should get along just fine if that's a concern as they occupy different levels of the water column. But when they spawn, that's when all hell can break loose. Edited September 10, 2020 by Eclipse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ed's Aquatics Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 I don't know if it's fate, but Dean himself posted a proven mated pair of the Philippine Blue Angels I wanted on the GSAS page just now. I think I am going to compromise and buy his pair for the tank I made and add my own bred corys, Appistogrammas and platties. That empties 3 grow tanks and gives me time to get the 100 ready for growing out my own angels. Can always add his rams to the bigger setup. Maybe he'll post a mate pair of midnight rams by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ed's Aquatics Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 It's official, I'm picking them up tomorrow. Who could say no to these faces Super excited to get an adult pair. This would have been my preference but I never thought he'd have an extra pair or would sell them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Ellison Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 They look amazing I'd be interested in some when you get them breeding 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ed's Aquatics Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 They seem to like their new home. Now to beef up my little guys so they can join these and compete the tank. Thanks again @Dean’s Fishroom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RovingGinger Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Those are absolutely beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Ellison Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Is there a online vendor who sales deans fish? I live in Tennessee so getting to Washington is a bit of a stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADMWNDSR83 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 They are quite the sight. Good choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean’s Fishroom Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, Ben Ellison said: Is there a online vendor who sales deans fish? I live in Tennessee so getting to Washington is a bit of a stretch Not yet...😐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean’s Fishroom Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. Ed's Aquatics said: They seem to like their new home. Now to beef up my little guys so they can join these and compete the tank. Thanks again @Dean’s Fishroom Really nice looking tank! Nice fish too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ed's Aquatics Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Dean’s Fishroom said: Really nice looking tank! Nice fish too! I'm super happy with them, and thanks about the tank. I took inspiration from someone who really knows his stuff when I made it. Tomorrow is going to be fun, trying to move some stock around for some wilds maybe 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Would a 40g be too small for a few of these beautiful angels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADMWNDSR83 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I have 2 in a 37. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ed's Aquatics Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 I've had pairs in 38 bow fronts, 40 breeders and 55s. Never kept more than 2 in anything under a 100 gallons ( thus my initial concern) since they tend to pair up and kill off any other Angels in tanks not big enough to have multiple territories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alison Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I can ser why you wanted them so badly. Those fish are stunning and they look amazing in that tank! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Mr. Ed's Aquatics said: I've had pairs in 38 bow fronts, 40 breeders and 55s. Never kept more than 2 in anything under a 100 gallons ( thus my initial concern) since they tend to pair up and kill off any other Angels in tanks not big enough to have multiple territories. I can see why only two Angels in that size tank. I'm assuming you could still put a few corys or a few kuhli loaches in with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ed's Aquatics Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Robin said: I can see why only two Angels in that size tank. I'm assuming you could still put a few corys or a few kuhli loaches in with them. For sure, I only saw them ever attack other Angels when breeding. Dither fish and clean up crew just get chased away from eggs or fry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean’s Fishroom Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Robin said: Would a 40g be too small for a few of these beautiful angels? I’d say up to four adult size in a 40 breeder, you will have to keep up on tank maintenance and water changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Ellison Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I believe you will need a minimum of 20.gallons per pair. I believe a 40 could work especially if their was something breaking the tank somewhat in half like a large drift wood or something. And use Cory's at the bottom from what I hear they don't mind them to much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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