beastie Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 So, I got some white cloud minnows (gold variety) back in December. I read how they are easy fish to breed, no issues breeding in the community tank, how some eggs always survive,... It is March and I have zero fry. I would appreciate any feedback on what to improve or how to ensure some breeding. I see a lot of flashing behavior, I see them in the moss a lot of the time and yet still nothing. I even added salvinia and hornwort on the surface, though with the large flow they are not doing that well. Temp is 22°C I feed once a day, frozen daphnia, frozen cyclops, frozen plankton, live artemia, now live microworms, hikari micropelets, dennerle crusta gran, fluval bug bites,... Or am I still too impatient? Thanks PS sorry about the glare, took the most recent pictures right now, ofcourse the window is making it harder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theplatymaster Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 @beastie its possible they are not breeding, however i think something else may be happening. they A.breed then B.most of the eggs get eaten C.the remaining eggs hatch, a few of those fry get eaten or starve then D.you have a few fry remaining, they are just REALLY small, and are VERY good at hiding, so they can be hard to see. thats just my theory.you could be completely right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineSong Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 @beastie, your tank looks great, by the way. I'm in the same boat as you. I started out with 5 gold WCMMS and after 1.5 years I still had 5. I felt bad because lots of videos and other folks' forum posts made it seem they automatically breed like crazy. I posted about it here and others said that they had success by having your fish spawn in a spawning mop and then removing the mop every other day to a separate tank so the eggs and fry can survive there without the adults. Here is one video that shows this method, there are several of them on youtube I believe: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beastie Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 On 3/15/2023 at 3:33 AM, PineSong said: @beastie, your tank looks great, by the way. I'm in the same boat as you. I started out with 5 gold WCMMS and after 1.5 years I still had 5. I felt bad because lots of videos and other folks' forum posts made it seem they automatically breed like crazy. I posted about it here and others said that they had success by having your fish spawn in a spawning mop and then removing the mop every other day to a separate tank so the eggs and fry can survive there without the adults. Here is one video that shows this method, there are several of them on youtube I believe: Thanks, I dont have a separate container at this moment, so I guess waiting and seeing will be it :)) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Ok I see 2 problem, you got too many breeder in the aquarium. I recommend 2 pair. 2nd problem your aquarium is too big for new born fry to find food. Some may survive but it'll be harder to target feed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastie Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 On 3/16/2023 at 1:42 PM, WhitecloudDynasty said: Ok I see 2 problem, you got too many breeder in the aquarium. I recommend 2 pair. 2nd problem your aquarium is too big for new born fry to find food. Some may survive but it'll be harder to target feed Well I do have a 40l shrimp tank with the indostomus paradoxus now that I bet would work as a fry raising, since I do the microworm feeding and artemia for the armored stickleback anyway and the fry wont outcompete the indostomus for few weeks at least. Tank has same temp, similar pH as main tank, just no water flow. Will it work, if I move the pair in a breeder box in this tank and let them drop the eggs in here? when should I remove the pair from main tank and also when remove after spawning? Also at what size wont the adults eat the fry Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/16/2023 at 1:42 PM, WhitecloudDynasty said: your aquarium is too big I know this isn't constructive, but you can never have a big enough aquarium. @beasties is gorgeous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2023 at 10:03 AM, beastie said: Well I do have a 40l shrimp tank with the indostomus paradoxus now that I bet would work as a fry raising, since I do the microworm feeding and artemia for the armored stickleback anyway and the fry wont outcompete the indostomus for few weeks at least. Tank has same temp, similar pH as main tank, just no water flow. Will it work, if I move the pair in a breeder box in this tank and let them drop the eggs in here? when should I remove the pair from main tank and also when remove after spawning? Also at what size wont the adults eat the fry Thanks https://youtu.be/JVSxISBbmOg On 3/16/2023 at 11:56 AM, TheSwissAquarist said: I know this isn't constructive, but you can never have a big enough aquarium. @beasties is gorgeous! For a display yes. But raising fry it gets harder to feed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmike15 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I plan on trying to raise some now that i'm back to fertilizing regularly. More plant cover means more fry can survive their parents and more microfauca to munch on. On 3/17/2023 at 1:56 AM, WhitecloudDynasty said: https://youtu.be/JVSxISBbmOg For a display yes. But raising fry it gets harder to feed them. This reminds me of all the Betta raising vids i watched how if using a larger tank for the fry to have the water low. Fry are small so they won't find the food if it's too far away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miska Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/16/2023 at 8:42 AM, WhitecloudDynasty said: Ok I see 2 problem, you got too many breeder in the aquarium. I recommend 2 pair. 2nd problem your aquarium is too big for new born fry to find food. Some may survive but it'll be harder to target feed What if you create a few hiding spots and more scattering opportunities and then use tweezers to target feed those spots? If that could not work: What size would you recommend for folks wanting to breed them? Thank you for you time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/17/2023 at 11:58 PM, Miska said: What if you create a few hiding spots and more scattering opportunities and then use tweezers to target feed those spots? If that could not work: What size would you recommend for folks wanting to breed them? Thank you for you time. Yes you can target feed them, but it's harder. You'll have to make sure they eat enough 3 to 5 times a day. Always recommend a 10 gallon about 75% filled and 2 pair 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reneenay Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I wish my Vietnamese white cloud minnows would stop breeding! Lol. I have the opposite problem. I agree that your tank is too big and baby minnows are tiny tiny. They got lost trying to find food or got sucked into the filter...but not eaten. At least not by the parents. White cloud minnows do not eat their babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastie Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Thanks guys I will buy/make the breeder box, have them spawn in my 40l shrimp tank and then move them to the main one once they are large and fed and wont be beaten by the current. Will keep you updated on the progress 🙂 Hoping to buy a breeding box today, will move the first pair in there when I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastie Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 Sooo, I bought this tiny breeder box, so like a liter or so, since I need to isolate the white clouds from the shrimp. I put a very nice plump female and the flashiest male in. How long do I have to keep them there to have any sort of success? I feel it is too small to safely keep them there overnight, so will like 4 hours do? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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