Monkeypoint Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) I bought a jug of the stuff before I stumbled across A-C, so I'd rather use it up before switching to Easy Green. It contains Cu 0.009% copper. Is it safe for snails & shrimp? It looks like Easy Green All in One has zero copper. Edited January 10, 2023 by Monkeypoint adding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theplatymaster Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Im not sure about the copper levels, but im pretty sure that Thrive uses ammonia, and can be dangerous in PH over like 6.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmiller2001 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 100% safe for shrimp and snails. Fertilizer advertising no copper/shrimp safe is a gimmick. Shrimp and snails need copper to live. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rube_Goldfish Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 5:00 PM, Mmiller2001 said: 100% safe for shrimp and snails. Fertilizer advertising no copper/shrimp safe is a gimmick. Shrimp and snails need copper to live. Their blood is based on copper instead of iron, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypoint Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 5:00 PM, Mmiller2001 said: 100% safe for shrimp and snails. Fertilizer advertising no copper/shrimp safe is a gimmick. Shrimp and snails need copper to live. Awesome, thanks! I'd hate to have to toss the entire jug out. It was pricey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmiller2001 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 4:06 PM, Rube_Goldfish said: Their blood is based on copper instead of iron, right? Not sure, but it's an essential element they need to live. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rube_Goldfish Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 It looks like, yes, crustacean blood is copper-based hemocyanin rather than iron-based hemoglobin: "There are three components that can be present in crustacean blood, including (1) hemolymph – ‘colorless’ blood that is nutrient carrier component of blood; it also may carry some oxygen, and is involved in clotting; (2) hemocyanin – a true copper-based pigment that carries oxygen found in developed Crustacea; (3) and hemoglobin – a true iron-based pigment found in underdeveloped Crustacea. Most species have hemocyanin in their blood (Joel, 2013; Urich, 1994)." https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/crustacea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seattle_Aquarist Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) On 1/10/2023 at 1:23 PM, Theplatymaster said: Im not sure about the copper levels, but im pretty sure that Thrive uses ammonia, and can be dangerous in PH over like 6.5. Thrive does NOT contain any form of ammonia. Here is a list of ingredients there is no ammonium nitrate listed: " Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Sulfate, Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Sulfate, DTPA Iron, EDTA Iron, Manganese Sulfate, Boric Acid, Zinc Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate" Edited January 11, 2023 by Seattle_Aquarist 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanked Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Long before I started using EG root tabs, I put together a comparison chart because I was looking for low Nitrogen ferts. I think it is still basically accurate. I am using the PAC tabs as a supplement with the EG products. percentage P.A.C.* Easy Green Liq. API Flourish Tabs Flourish Liq. Supl. Thrive Tabs** Tropica Premium Tropica Specialized Nitrogen (N) 1.33 2.66 3 .3 .07 2.57 0 1.34 Phosphate (P2O5) 0.65 .46 1 .17 .01 1.69 0 0.1 Potash (K2O) 5.18 9.21 1 .16 .37 10.1 .8 1.03 Calcium (Ca) 0.22 14.8 .14 Magnesium (Mg) 0.215 .7 .06 .11 .4 0.39 0.39 Sulfur (S) 1.12 12.2 .2773 .31 0.91 0.91 Boron (B) 0.02 .015 .019 .0009 .014 0.004 0.004 Cobalt (Co) 0.0015 .002 .0004 .0006 Iron (Fe) 2.3 .13 5 2.2 .32 2.47 0.069 0.069 Manganese (Mn) 0.1935 .036 .23 .0118 .161 0.39 0.39 Molybdenum (Mo) 0.0021 .00098 .004 .0009 .00029 0.002 0.002 Zinc (Zn) 0.0091 .0072 .015 .0007 .0055 0.002 0.002 Nickel (Ni) 0.0002 .00035 Copper (Cu) .001 .0001 .0001 0.006 0.006 Sodium(Na) .34 .13 CHLORINE(Cl) .55 1.15 0.438 0.5 Flouride <0.001 <0.001 COST EACH $.54 $.50 (tabs) $.86 $.28 *Planted Aquarium Concepts ** Aquarium Thrive Root Tabs by NilocG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypoint Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/12/2023 at 11:26 AM, Tanked said: Long before I started using EG root tabs, I put together a comparison chart because I was looking for low Nitrogen ferts. Interesting. I'm using Thrive All-In-One liquid. Normal dosage adds 7ppm (3%) N. I'm just testing regularly for nitrates and doing 30% water changes when they hit 40ppm. I have a lot of plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanked Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 We often here that 50ppm Nitrate is super bad and 20ppm is the target level. With minimal water changes, my tanks seemed to maintain 50 ppm or slightly less, but my plants showed signs of deficiencies. The search for low nitrogen ferts began. As the planted aquarium continues to evolve, root tabs are used sparingly. Using test strips, I don't have an exact number, but the planted tank seems to hover around 30-40ppm. Easy Green is my biweekly fert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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