slim Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 so for a java fern is this normal with roots off the upper stem? and what else could you tell me that you see in the photo i know java is better to plant on surfaces but i had these planted weeks ago just like this but all info is helpful im new to plants watched alot of videos i just started using all in one aquarium co-op yesterday as well to help with some of my issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 That's totally normal, in fact a good thing as eventually they can be pulled/trimmed if you want and glued to another base. I found one floating in my tank from my Narrow Leaf Java this morning. But my Windelov has them too (don't mind the debris stuck to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 awesome! glad its all goin according to planned and thank you! now i will go try to find some trimming videos how often does this happen? when its fully mature? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 It looks like you have just gravel as substrate, the plant may or may not eventually rot as Java is a rhizone plant but if it's not too buried it might be fine. Trust me, a lot of people new to plants mistakenly plant them- I had! It's not like they come with instructions and unless you look for the information you just assume a plant needs planting! Personally I have fun looking for things to glue new Java to. so if you ever find anything cool, uproot it and glue it! Honestly can't really say how often it happens, lol, it just does. I take it as a sign of a happy plant. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty o Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 that looks like a piece of the rhizome pointing upward, with roots shooting back down looking for a place to root. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 no its not that deep at all actually but i do have a java (the other starts with a w but cant remember) im pretty sure it has a iron deficiency cuz one stem is solid black exoskeleton (reason i got fertilizer) il get a picture and post it tomorrow now my other tank in fluval stratum they may be too beep but seem to be growing i know my anubus is too deep and its even growing anither stem i will be removing it and planting in a new location soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lefty o Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) those are a hair too deep. you want roots in the substrate, but not the rhizome. Edited November 18, 2021 by lefty o 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Duck Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Agree with @lefty o, those plants all need lifted. The thicker stemmed, broader leaved plant is an Anubias which is also an epiphytes like the Java ferns you have. Those all are fine with the roots planted but don’t really like their rhizome covered since it makes them prone to rot. You need to lift them until the thick, more or less horizontal stem is exposed. Or you can lift them entirely out of the substrate and attach them to wood or rocks. You can attach them by tying them into place or by using superglue gel (liquid works too, it’s just much harder to work with). Sometimes when the rhizome is reaching upwards, it’s the plant trying to get up away from the substrate. But they also can seem to do that somewhat randomly. May be trying to reach for more light or better water circulation. Plants tend to grow towards the conditions they want. My happiest Anubias and Java ferns are on wood which is soft enough for them to get their roots into, and some of their roots can also reach the substrate (or at least some mulm) and dig in for even more nutrients. You can see several Anubias and Java ferns in this pic of my 20 H laser tank. Here’s a link that I hope takes you straight to the plant list. You can ignore everything until you see the second group of plants listed which is the epiphytes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 ok i will il be makin some changes this weekend when i do my water change and be sure the next ones aint too deep or glued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 now that was a wild story!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 i actually have some cholla wood im soaking now throught about putting plants around,in, or glued too kids beta tank quit so im building another btw those tubes of plants ya get from big box stores how long will a plant last in one i bought some last week and buyin more this weekend for the new tank so they will have been in the tubes for a week next to my other tank for the light was worried about a lack of water and nutrients so i mixed a small amount of fertilizer and water and that givin em about 3-5 ml of water at night good bad or noooo?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty o Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 1:03 PM, slim said: i actually have some cholla wood im soaking now throught about putting plants around,in, or glued too kids beta tank quit so im building another btw those tubes of plants ya get from big box stores how long will a plant last in one i bought some last week and buyin more this weekend for the new tank so they will have been in the tubes for a week next to my other tank for the light was worried about a lack of water and nutrients so i mixed a small amount of fertilizer and water and that givin em about 3-5 ml of water at night good bad or noooo?? they seem to last quite a while in those tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) Those tube plants are almost all I buy anymore (because no snails, I have a couple other sources that also offer no snails/pests) and they do last quite a while in them. I had one recently I kept out a week because I had other things to do. I'm sure giving them a little water might help but the gel in there is supposed to keep them alive. If they start looking weird or you just don't have time to plant when you get them just float them in some aquarium water (tub or tank) and they'll be fine. Remember they've lasted through the packaging, shipping, stocking process so they're already fairly tough. Edited November 18, 2021 by xXInkedPhoenixX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 oh i fightin they would be fine but i know my stors get new ones every week so ya gotta pick a special day to get some so i didnt know how much life they would have is kept longer then usual but thank yalls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 healthy? better planted? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefty o Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 it looks fine, and the roots grabbing the pieces of substrate show its growing. last photo is perfect for planting in substrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 ok good well it didnt stay but 10min not enough to hold it in place i see my people glue and tie it so i guess ima have to tie it to a rock and burry the rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Duck Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 1:03 PM, slim said: i actually have some cholla wood im soaking now throught about putting plants around,in, or glued too kids beta tank quit so im building another btw those tubes of plants ya get from big box stores how long will a plant last in one i bought some last week and buyin more this weekend for the new tank so they will have been in the tubes for a week next to my other tank for the light was worried about a lack of water and nutrients so i mixed a small amount of fertilizer and water and that givin em about 3-5 ml of water at night good bad or noooo?? They’ll be happier if you take them out of the tubes and just pop them in any tank with reasonable parameters. Plants can float that way for weeks, longer if they are weighted so they’re oriented correctly. I have a couple Anubias barteri that were just randomly floating in the previous owners tank. They were doing fine for months but their leaves were growing every which direction. It took months to get them growing looking normal again. The plants were perfectly happy, just wonky looking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd Duck Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/19/2021 at 6:27 AM, slim said: ok good well it didnt stay but 10min not enough to hold it in place i see my people glue and tie it so i guess ima have to tie it to a rock and burry the rock You can also put a plant weight on the rhizome to hold it down until the roots can get themselves anchored. You don’t have to bury the rock, it can just sit wherever you want it. The roots can reach a surprisingly long way to the substrate but they don’t have to reach substrate at all. They are perfectly happy drawing nutrients directly from the water column. I’ve had several Anubias in this plastic shelf on the right side in this tank for MONTHS! I just moved some of them into my 20 high and the 29 gallon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 see i was gonna weight em and i seen one of corys/johns at kg videos and when he was gettin into it and cory had sent him some lead weights so i started lookin into that as far of leaching lead but i have a bunch of stainless steel nutts i thought about usin as anchors good news today tho il be planting them today java fern and anubias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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