Dspthailand Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) Hi guys new here. I have a really weird question. About 15 days ago I spawned a batch of zebra danio using a spawning mop and a very small Val plant in a terracotta pot. Very successful with 280 fry now doing extremely well. Here is the weird question. 7 days ago I put two tiger barbs together after 2 weeks of conditioning separately and I used the same spawning mop as I used for the danios. Thing is the barbs spawning was a disaster as it was their first time but 3 days after removing the barbs I have 6 fry. They are now 5 days old and are so small I am sure there is no way they are barbs. They are just starting to free swim but still stick to the glass most of the time. Is it possible for the danio eggs to lay dormant until they were put back into the water. Is that how it happens in the wild if the water supply dries up and then the rains come. Hope someone can shed some light on this or I am going to have to wait a month to find out the answer. Edited December 29, 2023 by Dspthailand Update 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Folk Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Yes. Quite possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dspthailand Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 On 12/28/2023 at 11:06 AM, Dspthailand said: Hi guys new here. I have a really weird question. About 15 days ago I spawned a batch of zebra danio using a spawning mop and a very small Val plant in a terracotta pot. Very successful with 280 fry now doing extremely well. Here is the weird question. 7 days ago I put two tiger barbs together after 2 weeks of conditioning separately and I used the same spawning mop as I used for the danios. Thing is the barbs spawning was a disaster as it was their first time but 3 days after removing the barbs I have 6 fry. They are now 5 days old and are so small I am sure there is no way they are barbs. They are just starting to free swim but still stick to the glass most of the time. Is it possible for the danio eggs to lay dormant until they were put back into the water. Is that how it happens in the wild if the water supply dries up and then the rains come. Hope someone can shed some light on this or I am going to have to wait a month to find out the answer. Orange color is bbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapexghost Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 I havent bread either, but the general conception is that zebra danios are relatively easy to brees while tiger barbs are fairly hard. So i think your right in that they are danio stragglers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dspthailand Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 Initially I thought they must be tiger barbs but as time goes on I think they are danios. If they are I’m am mind blown that they stayed alive long enough to hatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllFishNoBrakes Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Nature finds a way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK rams Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The photo isn't clear enough for an ID but zebra danios and tiger barbs are typical egg scatterers. They do not live in places that are likely to dry out so it highly unlikely danio eggs would survive drought like killifish would, some of the latter actually need drying out for months before hatching. Did you use the same tank? Did the tank dry out in between? How long between the spawns? And how long after you removed the tiger barbs before you noticed the fry? Without this information I'm going to say probably tiger barbs. Just because tiger barbs are bigger doesn't mean the fry will be. Rummy nose tetra for example have bigger fry than much larger fish and they grow really quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dspthailand Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 I did use the same tank with a 50%water change. So the tank continued to have water but the spawning mop was removed from the danios and although it was out of the water it may have had a small amount of moisture in the middle before placing in with the barbs. It was about 5 days between spawning. It was about 4 days after removing the barbs I noticed one fry and over the next 3 day an additional 18 fry were visible. Which ever fry they are it is a very strange hatching rate which I have no answer for. All other hatching are typically 2-3 days. My guess would be they are barbs logically but I guess I will have to wait to see. Thanks for your imput. Sorry about the images but I only have an iPhone 14 and the fry hide at the back of the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK rams Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) These are tiger barbs mate well done. Much better photos. Fry become free swimming 3-5 days after hatching (which takes 24-36 hours after laying) for most egg laying fish so the time frame isn't unusual at all. Is the tank bare bottom? If so that could well be the reason for the small numbers as the eggs could of been eaten On 1/1/2024 at 12:39 AM, Dspthailand said: I did use the same tank with a 50%water change. So the tank continued to have water but the spawning mop was removed from the danios and although it was out of the water it may have had a small amount of moisture in the middle before placing in with the barbs. It was about 5 days between spawning. It was about 4 days after removing the barbs I noticed one fry and over the next 3 day an additional 18 fry were visible. Which ever fry they are it is a very strange hatching rate which I have no answer for. All other hatching are typically 2-3 days. My guess would be they are barbs logically but I guess I will have to wait to see. Thanks for your imput. Sorry about the images but I only have an iPhone 14 and the fry hide at the back of the tank. The photo isn't clear enough for an ID but zebra danios and tiger barbs are typical egg scatterers. They do not live in places that are likely to dry out so it highly unlikely danio eggs would survive drought like killifish would, some of the latter actually need drying out for months before hatching. Did you use the same tank? Did the tank dry out in between? How long between the spawns? And how long after you removed the tiger barbs before you noticed the fry? Without this information I'm going to say probably tiger barbs. Just because tiger barbs are bigger doesn't mean the fry will be. Rummy nose tetra for example have bigger fry than much larger fish and they grow really quickly Edited January 1 by UK rams Additional information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK rams Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) Here's a good photo of zebra danio fry growth. Notice the shape and colour (Almost clear until they start getting stripes) and the body is much shorter in tiger barbs. If you look from where the belly ends to where the tail starts you can really see the difference Edited January 1 by UK rams Added information 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dspthailand Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 Thanks for that. Have bred many batches of danios with great success so the barb process is similar. It was a bare bottom tank but I use a basket well off the bottom for the eggs to drop through. However after the first night spawning (I like to leave them in for two nights) the male somehow got past the basket so I can only assume he had a great feed. Today is day 12 so I expected them to be a little bigger. But I think I can see that they are taking more shape of a barb and not a danio. Plus the behavior of these fry is very different to that of the danios. These fry are extremely timid and although free swimming will hide most of the time. Typically behavior of a barb. Not worried about the quantity of this spawn as it was the first time and now the female is back in a recovery tank she has fattened up nicely. So I will go again in a few days by isolating her and feed bbs for two weeks and then try again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Congratulations! Here is a fun, related barb video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dspthailand Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick-In-Of-TheSea Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Heard a story once of someone who drained a tank and stored it. Months later, they filled the tank. Not long after, a goldfish was swimming around in there. Apparently there was an egg in the tank that survived all that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dspthailand Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 Nature is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dspthailand Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 Ok my question has been answered. They are tiger barbs. Their markings are clearly visible. Thanks to everyone who had an input. Day 14 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick-In-Of-TheSea Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Aw, they are really cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxieConroy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/2/2024 at 9:06 AM, nabokovfan87 said: Congratulations! Here is a fun, related barb video. Thanks for the video. I appreciate you for sharing it with us. You made my day. Embarking on a journey with CustomWriting has been a game-changer for my academic life! The reliability of their custom essay writing service is unmatched. Whenever I need assistance, they're there 24/7, ensuring every paper is a masterpiece. If you're seeking a service that elevates your academic game, look no further! Thanks for the video ❤️ Edited January 31 by MaxieConroy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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