Supermassive Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 On 1/21/2024 at 2:03 PM, Colu said: It shouldn't cause an ammonia spike it should help to speed up the cycle I should have done that originally but I didn't think about it. Amateur move. I will remember this. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 @Colu I found a store in Canada that sells API E.M. Erythromycin and API General Cure. Are those proper medications? Would they be good to have on hand if I cant get other meds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) On 1/23/2024 at 10:55 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu I found a store in Canada that sells API E.M. Erythromycin and API General Cure. Are those proper medications? Would they be good to have on hand if I cant get other meds? E.M erythromycin has the seem active ingredient as maracyn and general cure has the seem active ingredient as paracleanse praziquantel and metronidazole would order it just so you have some to have to hand Edited January 24 by Colu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 @Colu So I'm still reading ammonia everyday but today I measured 5ppm of nitrate along with the ammonia. How come I'm getting ammonia and nitrate? I also have been testing nitrite for the past week and its been zero every time including today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/26/2024 at 5:30 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu So I'm still reading ammonia everyday but today I measured 5ppm of nitrate along with the ammonia. How come I'm getting ammonia and nitrate? I also have been testing nitrite for the past week and its been zero every time including today. I would expect to see nitrite if you still seeing ammonia then nitrate is this the first time you have registered nitrates in this tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2024 at 6:53 PM, Colu said: I would expect to see nitrite if you still seeing ammonia then nitrate is this the first time you have registered nitrates in this tank Yeah its the first time I've measured nitrates but I have only been checking about once a week. I wasn't checking often because the nitrite has been zero. I dumped in a whole bunch of stability yesterday. I was getting a little frustrated that its not cycling so I added like 50mls. Maybe that caused it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/27/2024 at 12:00 AM, Supermassive said: Yeah its the first time I've measured nitrates but I have only been checking about once a week. I wasn't checking often because the nitrite has been zero. I dumped in a whole bunch of stability yesterday. I was getting a little frustrated that its not cycling so I added like 50mls. Maybe that caused it? It could be as you starting to see nitrate that a good thing monitor daily to see if you get any nitrite keep up with water changes if your still seeing ammonia what level is ammonia getting to before your doing a water change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 On 1/26/2024 at 7:06 PM, Colu said: It could be as you starting to see nitrate that a good thing monitor daily to see if you get any nitrite keep up with water changes if your still seeing ammonia what level is ammonia getting to before your doing a water change Okay I will keep testing everything daily. Ammonia has been around 0.25-0.5ppm before I water change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 @Colu For the past few days his stool has been very dark. It looks black. I know in people that is a sign of intestinal bleeding so I'm a bit concerned. Is that normal? I haven't changed his diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/27/2024 at 5:43 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu For the past few days his stool has been very dark. It looks black. I know in people that is a sign of intestinal bleeding so I'm a bit concerned. Is that normal? I haven't changed his diet. It can be a sign of intestinal bleeding what colour is it usually have noticed any changes in behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 On 1/27/2024 at 6:59 PM, Colu said: It can be a sign of intestinal bleeding what colour is it usually have noticed any changes in behaviour Usually its a lighter brown/tan color. He does seem to be more agitated. When I'm doing water changes and whatnot he seems more scared of my movements. He is still eager to eat though. I think the swelling the has gone down and I haven't seen any new abscesses coming up in the past few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/28/2024 at 12:22 AM, Supermassive said: Usually its a lighter brown/tan color. He does seem to be more agitated. When I'm doing water changes and whatnot he seems more scared of my movements. He is still eager to eat though. I think the swelling the has gone down and I haven't seen any new abscesses coming up in the past few days. It's difficult to no for sure if it is intestinal bleeding there's not a lot you can do other than monitor for now if the swelling going down and there's no new abscesses hopefully his immune system is starting to fighting off the infection given time he might recover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 @Colu I finally got his QT cycled. Measured 0 ammonia and nitrite this morning. One thing that is weird is I never measure any nitrite the entire time. Besides keeping the water clean what can I do to help boost his immune system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Almond leaves will help as they have antibacterial and antifungal properties and a good varied diet I feed my comet goldfish repashy super gold and hikari saki gold pellets and some frozen blood worms and daphnia I add duck weed as well for some extra greens in there diet and keeping stable water parameters will help @Supermassive Edited January 31 by Colu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted February 7 Author Share Posted February 7 @Colu I got a bunch of almond leaves and I got more erythromycin. I never used the last of the Maracyn I have either. I wanted to get the tank cycled before I used it again. He still seems active and alert. Hes eating aggressively. It doesn't seem like he is declining in health anymore. The abscesses are way less numerous. I've only seen one or two in the past couple weeks. What would recommend I do for treating him at this point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/7/2024 at 5:40 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu I got a bunch of almond leaves and I got more erythromycin. I never used the last of the Maracyn I have either. I wanted to get the tank cycled before I used it again. He still seems active and alert. Hes eating aggressively. It doesn't seem like he is declining in health anymore. The abscesses are way less numerous. I've only seen one or two in the past couple weeks. What would recommend I do for treating him at this point? I would keep stable water parameters add the almond leaves the more the better and just monitor as long as you see him continue to improve I wouldn't do another course of erythromycin unless he starts to get worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 @Colu I put 10 large catappa leaves in. Should I be concerned about it lowering my PH drastically? My KH is around 70-80ppm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/8/2024 at 8:41 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu I put 10 large catappa leaves in. Should I be concerned about it lowering my PH drastically? My KH is around 70-80ppm. I don't think it will have much of an effect on your pH your KH is high enough when I have used them I have noticed only a slight change from 7.0 to -6.8 in my pH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 @Colu Do you know how long those black areas from the ammonia will last? When should I notice them improving? It looks about the same as it did a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On 2/11/2024 at 4:32 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu Do you know how long those black areas from the ammonia will last? When should I notice them improving? It looks about the same as it did a week ago. It can take upwards of 4 weeks in some cases 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted March 1 Author Share Posted March 1 @Colu He seems to have gotten worse. He isn't getting the abscesses anymore but that is about the only good thing. He keeps getting more and more swollen/bloated. The black areas from the ammonia still look pretty much the same. Today he was just sitting on the bottom in the corner of the tank and didn't come to get food like he normally would. He didn't move at all until I changed his water. He was a little more active after I changed his water so I gave him some food and he tried to eat it but kept spitting it out. Today I also noticed he is breathing heavily. I tested ammonia, PH, and nitrate. 0 ammonia. PH was normal. Nitrate was a bit high but acceptable, ~30ppm. I changed about 60% of his water after I tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) On 3/1/2024 at 6:52 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu He seems to have gotten worse. He isn't getting the abscesses anymore but that is about the only good thing. He keeps getting more and more swollen/bloated. The black areas from the ammonia still look pretty much the same. Today he was just sitting on the bottom in the corner of the tank and didn't come to get food like he normally would. He didn't move at all until I changed his water. He was a little more active after I changed his water so I gave him some food and he tried to eat it but kept spitting it out. Today I also noticed he is breathing heavily. I tested ammonia, PH, and nitrate. 0 ammonia. PH was normal. Nitrate was a bit high but acceptable, ~30ppm. I changed about 60% of his water after I tested. It's not looking good with the pineconing of the scales that can be caused by organ failure parasitic infections internal bacterial usually when you get pineconing even with treatment most of the time it doesn't have a good out come treatment i would usually recommend is a combination of aquarium salt 1 table spoon for 2 gallons kanaplex and metroplex as you don't have access to these medication it's a difficult one to treat if you think he's suffering I would humanely euthanize him with clove oil Edited March 1 by Colu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 @Colu He started eating again and he seems relatively active when I go to check on him. I don't want to give up on him yet. Besides the 1tbsp salt per 2 gallons what else should I do? Should I keep using the catappa leaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/5/2024 at 7:07 PM, Supermassive said: @Colu He started eating again and he seems relatively active when I go to check on him. I don't want to give up on him yet. Besides the 1tbsp salt per 2 gallons what else should I do? Should I keep using the catappa leaves? Yes keep using the catappa leaves and salt and monitor if you can source kanaplex or metroplex that what i would follow up with I no that will be very difficult to get holed of in Canada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermassive Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 @Colu People are somehow selling both of them on Ebay in Canada. They are both around $50 each for the 5 gram container. Do you know how many treatments that will do? I cant find that information on Seachems website. And if you could only get one which one would you pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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