Guppysnail Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) What is the proper amount of phosphate in the tank not dosing please. Assuming all other macros and micros are available in low tech tank using cheap Amazon hygger light (white feature use only I don’t use the red or blue) 1. to avoid green spot algae 2. proper plant growth (no need for acceleration just proper) I use this test Thanks plant nerms 😁 Edited February 21, 2022 by Guppysnail Forgot pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaW Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I don't have an answer but I'm jealous of your testing rack! All my tests are shoved in a plastic Tupperware container! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 1:50 PM, AndreaW said: I don't have an answer but I'm jealous of your testing rack! All my tests are shoved in a plastic Tupperware container! Nail polish rack. I have one for food as well. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmiller2001 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) There's no hard set number. Plants love PO4 though. If I see GSA, I raise PO4, this usually does the trick. I've been as high as 10ppm. Edited February 21, 2022 by Mmiller2001 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 4:17 PM, Mmiller2001 said: There's no hard set number. Plants love PO4 though. If I see GSA, I raise PO4, this usually does the trick. I've been as high as 10ppm. Awesome thanks. This was very helpful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer V Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 11:50 AM, AndreaW said: I don't have an answer but I'm jealous of your testing rack! All my tests are shoved in a plastic Tupperware container! I was about to say the exact same thing! 😆 @Guppysnail your cord management may not be perfect but your testing setup is so great! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrey Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 That is helpful @Mmiller2001! Is there an algae that is more likely to grow if there's too much phosphate in the tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmiller2001 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 9:28 PM, Torrey said: That is helpful @Mmiller2001! Is there an algae that is more likely to grow if there's too much phosphate in the tank? According to Tom Barr (and others), fertilizers do not cause algae. Many test have been done to confirm this. People have also dosed 10x EI dosing and the only thing they reported was that plants grew faster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) On 2/22/2022 at 12:44 AM, Mmiller2001 said: According to Tom Barr (and others), fertilizers do not cause algae. Many test have been done to confirm this. People have also dosed 10x EI dosing and the only thing they reported was that plants grew faster. @Torrey you and I have spoken about my chemical fears and how they affect fish. Thanks to your tutorials I’m braving a few individual elements (hopefully the purigen I just ordered helps keep the organic waste nitrates down a bit since my tap is so bad) How does phosphate affect fish please? I hear about phosphate harming fish when they get into natural waterways. Is that a different type of phosphate or just a seriously high concentration? Do you know at what levels it would be harmful? Edited February 22, 2022 by Guppysnail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrey Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I only have this paper that my stepmom had sent me, @Guppysnail On 2/22/2022 at 11:40 AM, Torrey said: I only have this paper that my stepmom had sent me, @Guppysnail Until we know what baselines, precontact, were for a lot of our current 'domesticated' species, it's a bit hard to identify what levels are "too high" on a species by species basis. The information from Miller, combined with the data from modified lung, on top of my recent testing of my tap water, I am beginning to suspect that the problem wasn't the food source change in phosphates... It was a water supply change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) Got it. So what Im understanding that article is the phosphate is not directly harmful but it is the eutrophication (had to look that up 🤣) algae and plant growth using up the o2 and releasing co2 suffocating fish. Hope I understood. That was a tough but cool read. I really appreciate it. Edited February 22, 2022 by Guppysnail Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmiller2001 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 2:46 AM, Guppysnail said: I hear about phosphate harming fish when they get into natural waterways. Is that a different type of phosphate or just a seriously high concentration Our aquariums will not be near the magnitude that's dumped into our natural systems. I don't know if this is completely true but I read that it would take a thousand years for the earth to consume the amount of fertilizer we put into our natural systems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrey Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 12:00 PM, Mmiller2001 said: Our aquariums will not be near the magnitude that's dumped into our natural systems. I don't know if this is completely true but I read that it would take a thousand years for the earth to consume the amount of fertilizer we put into our natural systems. Miller, if I am understanding what I am currently being taught, it doesn't have to take a thousand years to heal the damage to the waterways and the land that pride has damaged. It will, however, require a lot more people willing to change. Getting sufficient numbers of people who want to change may take a thousand years 🤷♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQ Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) On 2/21/2022 at 1:50 PM, AndreaW said: I don't have an answer but I'm jealous of your testing rack! All my tests are shoved in a plastic Tupperware container! I was thinking the same thing 😂. I was almost temped to start a thread called 'show us your rack' (meaning your easy access tank supplies) but I wasn't sure how that would be received here! As for the original question, I have no idea, until I find a cheap easy phosphate test strip ill probably stay away! Aquariumcoop has ruined me with their strips. I wont go back to bottles again! Btw, heres my rack 😂 Edited February 23, 2022 by JoeQ 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaW Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/23/2022 at 7:32 AM, JoeQ said: I was thinking the same thing 😂. I was almost temped to start a thread called 'show us your rack' (meaning your easy access tank supplies) but I wasn't sure how that would be received here! I say do it! I'm always interested to see how people manage their supplies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmiller2001 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) On 2/23/2022 at 2:16 AM, Torrey said: Miller, if I am understanding what I am currently being taught, it doesn't have to take a thousand years to heal the damage to the waterways and the land that pride has damaged. It will, however, require a lot more people willing to change. Getting sufficient numbers of people who want to change may take a thousand years 🤷♂️ Not to change it or heal it, but for plants to actually consume the amount of nutrients we have pumped into the systems. They may have said 100 years, but I swear it was 1000. But don't quote me! 😁 Edited February 23, 2022 by Mmiller2001 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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