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Hi@Brian Scott, If you're letting the parents raise them, how frequently do you do water changes (and how much) both while they're still eggs/wigglers and then free swimming? And how clean do you keep the bottom?
I mentioned in another thread that I picked up two new koi angels, tried to pick a male and female. I now have eggs on PVC in my quarantine tank, just starting to wiggle. I'm not in a position to move them, and the quarantine tank is terrible with siphoning because it's so low. Usually I don't worry about it, and I just put my pond pump in the corner of the tank, pump out, then turn around and refill. I only worry about cleaning the bottom when I move the fish out. I may need a power vac?
Thanks!
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It almost doesn't matter what you use, since the bio load will likely be light enough such that you can deal with it with water changes, not requiring a cycled filter/tank. The reason I use a fish tank is because I can easily see the fish, and observing them is what you want to do in quarantine.
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20 minutes ago, siniardem said:
I mean is the water splashing that big of a deal or does it not happen as much as you think?
At least it's something you can control. You definitely can't control the tendency of certain fish (like the ones @Nataku mentioned).
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15 hours ago, Streetwise said:
I also spilled a lot of water.
Hey @Streetwise, could you share a few examples of what to watch out for? Ben Ochart did a video on avoiding canister disasters, but I'd bet he missed some, so anything you can share would be great. I have several canisters running, and also share your "canister anxiety" lol.
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Does anyone have good power vacuum recommendations?
I have a pair of angels that spawned in my quarantine tank. I don't want to pull the eggs because I want to give the pair a chance to see if they can raise the fry. Problem is the quarantine tank is down low, which is terrible for siphoning. I usually don't care because I just stick my pond pump in the corner for water changes, then reverse to fill. I clean it out when done with quarantine. It's going to take me a couple weeks to setup an more optimal tank for them (and the pair that bred in my community tank!).
If the fry survive, I'll want to keep it clean. I have a utility sink about 10 feet from the tank. There was a YouTube vid on making a DIY vac from using a pump, but if anyone has used one they like, let me know.
Thanks!
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On 10/5/2020 at 7:24 PM, Gorsim said:
These are really good eggs! Going on 6 hatches, all with good success. I use the Ziss blender (that name????) with about 2 liters of water. Is there a minimum amount of eggs that need to be used for that amount of water? I don't need a huge amount of food and want to be able to use them all in two or three days. (I ask in case hatching eggs secrete a hormone or other chemical that trigger other eggs to hatch).
Hi @Gorsim, I'm really not sure what the minimum is, I'm only about 1/2 liter and a teaspoon of eggs for now. I use them in 24 hours then the next batch is ready. You may want to double check, I thought I remember hearing something about using them within 48 hours.
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The guy in the LFS showing us the koi angels was pretty experienced breeding them... thought the ones they had were all males... my 13 year old daughter said "that one there looks like a female, we'll take her".... I'm never going fish shopping without her 🙂
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5 hours ago, Cory said:
Congrats, hope you're ready to raise fry 😛
Thanks @Cory, totally ready! Have some in my other thank and just started feeding them coop brine shrimp 🙂
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Put a couple of koi angels in quarantine tank late Saturday. Wasn't sure about the sex. Sunday they were still a bit shy as usual getting used to the new environment and being fed. The tank is in my office but I wasn't watching them while working yesterday, but after work my daughter informed me that they had deposited eggs on the PVC. I then observed what I assume was the male going over the eggs.
It's funny because the place I got them had a breeding pair of white lace for sale, and I was kind of considering it, but they had to separate them due to the male being aggressive.
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Big thank you to @Irene for her YouTube video on hatching the eggs with the SF tray. I'm lazy by nature, but this method was extremely easy and I'll definitely keep feeding the angel fry daily with these. I know you can keep the leftover in fridge for 48 hours, but for the amount I need making a batch for the day is no harder than making a pot of coffee every day. A decent LFS advised first bites and a few other things, saying hatching baby brine shrimp was messy and a hassle. They were wrong. I like being able to see the food supply swimming around the tank for a decent amount of time after a feeding.
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The angel fry definitely like them!
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1 hour ago, Brian Scott said:
As for plants.....sure! Anything to help keep that water clean is a bonus. I, personally, don't usually use them, but that's mostly because I suck at keeping plants alive! LOL 🙂
Slate is your friend, for sure. Strips cut into 3 inch by 12 or 16 inch pieces set nearly vertically against the side or back walls will likely be used as a spawning platform. That's what I use....or, rather, that's what my angels use!
Hope that helps a bit.
LOL, me too with plants... I often feel like fish/tanks/filters are relatively easy, plants are hard! And thank you, that was definitely helpful.
I'm also interested in your answer to @FrostiesFishes because I recall Dean on a Co-op video saying it takes some tries for them to learn what to do, and Dave Warren (in the KGTropicals interview mentioned above) said something about giving them one or two tries before he takes the eggs from them. Something to the effect of if they fail the first few they're likely to continue to fail. So I'm really curious about that as well.
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I have a fluval 207 on my 29 gallon and I do like it. I do have both intake and output on the back of the tank but on the same side. The intake is in the very corner and down low and the output is about 5 or 6 inches away from it, pointing diagonally away towards the far side of the tank. In this size tank I think this creates a nice flow, and all the hosing is on one side.
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On 9/30/2020 at 11:46 PM, Brian Scott said:
I also feel that parent-raised fish are better breeders themselves down the road.
I just mentioned in another thread that mine are taking good care of the fry. Never intended to breed them, and these were fish I just picked up at petsmart that I liked the looks of. I recently watched a 7-part YouTube video interview of Dave Warren by KGTropicals, and he said the same about the parents raising them. He also said 90 to 95 percent of the time the fish you get from the big "P stores" won't succeed at raising their own, so I guess I got lucky.
These were in a community tank and only last week was I able to get the other fish out right when they spawned. I'd like to move them to a better setup for next time. Any suggestions you can give would be appreciated, e.g. bare bottom? plants? slate? etc.
Thanks!
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Relatively small spawn under suboptimal conditions, but leaving the with the parents was the way to go. They moved them off the heater and to the top of a flat rock (the best place they could have chosen), and just today they started free swimming, and I started feeding them. I could watch the male and female collect them and spit them back on the rock all day. I noticed the male holds them a lot longer in his mouth, I initially thought he was snacking on them. 🙂
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This is my home office. It's a back basement room, not a lot of light. I used an earthy tone light gray/beige. I made the stands from 2x4 and stained them. BTW my work desk/computer is on the other side, that table/chair is just for garageband 🙂 ... Hearing the light water flow and bubbles makes a really nice atmosphere for the office.
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I just got back from a good local fish store and actually noticed they had about an inch overhang, and they just split the difference, 1/2 inch front and back hanging over.
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Wow @MickS77 beautiful tank. For a second I thought it was photoshopped 🙂
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I almost always have lids, but rarely put the plastic strip on the back. I'm lazy, and like the ability to be able to move things around the back, dose stuff into the flow from the return, etc... I figure it at least decreases the chances of fish departing the tank by 70 percent or so. Never had it happen though. If it ever does, I'll start putting them on.
I'm curious from people who have had fish jump out--what kind of fish, and if you have any idea for the reason they may have done it?
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1 hour ago, MickS77 said:
When I've had bacterial blooms I like adding more bio-media for a place where the beneficial bacteria can take hold. In the past I've even added beneficial bacteria additives like Fritz 7. The water cloudiness is only a cosmetic issue (assuming water parameters are acceptable), the beneficial bacteria are trying to establish, so facilitating that process helps.
Exactly, that's why I was asking what you had in the trays. I left the coarse and medium sponges in the bottom tray and filled the upper three trays with bio media (I used k1 / Aquaneat, pretty cheap on amazon). If you just used what the filter came with you may want to consider adding more. Over time that should definitely clear things up.
Another possibility is a higher phosphate level, and if that were the case adding Seachem Phosguard may help. A good local fish store near me told me they use that on all their tanks.
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11 hours ago, jaymcquillen said:
I have a 20 gallon set up with a fluval 207 filter.
Hi jay, I have two of those also on a 29 and 30. What media do you have in the upper three trays?
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If you can't use inoculate from an existing filer or sponge, just use ammonia. I'd probably also throw a large airstone in the bucket, keep the PH over 6.5, and the temperature in the 80s. I know you said you prefer not to use heaters, but beneficial bacterial will do better at a higher temperature. In another post I mentioned cycling where I used black kow in a bio bag over the airstone and it cycled in 9 days.
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I had a sunset platy with what looked exactly like ich (no other fish had any) a few weeks ago. Treated with ich-x and it resolved in a few days. A couple weeks later the same platy was laying towards the bottom, not acting well, and had what may have been columnaris (patchy layer on one side). Treated him with Kanaplex (fed it to him for a few days) and that also resolved. He seems to be doing well now. This is the first time I used that in food instead of the water, and I will definitely do that in the future (as long as I can get the fish to eat it).
Greetings from the East Coast
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Me too, right up there with angels. I have them in two tanks, and miss seeing them in the other tanks, lol.