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On 3/21/2023 at 12:47 PM, Biotope Biologist said:
Some medication is absorbed through the skin. For insight most fish medicines are just human medicines scaled down significantly and changed to perform in an aqueous environment.
I agree though that I don’t think scales affect skin absorption of medicine that is meant to treat dermal parasites or infection. The thinking is likely that scaleless fish are more sensitive to the medication and need to take it at a lower dosage.
I found one article that said scaleless fish absorb significantly more metals from the environment than scaled fish. There are some metal based medications perhaps those ones specifically carry the warning for scaleless fish. It’s intriguing. The article I found was in Hindi though so hopefully my google translate was working.
Yes it is true that there is different intakes of medicine (it really depends)
“Note that almost all authors and experts on the aquarium caution about using medications with scale-less fish such as plecos, corydoras and loaches. But this “sensitivity” is not supported anywhere in the scientific literature. All the millions of dollars of aquaculture research done on catfish and medications has shown no increased sensitivity to medications.
This myth probably started when someone somewhere in the distant past thought that medications are absorbed through the skin of a fish. The next step in this line of logic is that because scaled fish have thicker skins, they will resist overdoses of medications better than a fish without scales. And the final step in this line of logic is that scaleless fishes need lower doses of medications.”
https://aquariumscience.org/index.php/12-1-basics-of-treatment/
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On 3/21/2023 at 12:02 PM, Cory said:
I myself also only ever treat the full dose. If a disease could be treated with less medication in the water, that would be the normal dose. The type of scales a fish has doesn't affect the potency of meds in my experience.
I was thinking about this due to @BlueLineAquaticsSCissues with their lungfish, but due to the fact that meds are taken in through the gills, how would you medicate fish without gills? (ie. Adult lungfish)
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On 3/21/2023 at 10:43 AM, Lennie said:
No I meant a base for seperating them from other normal freshwater community fish. An aspect, whether something you mentioned here or maybe something different.
Like everything in this table needs to make some sort of sense to be seperate from "freshwater community" right?
As an example:
I'm just thinking out loud
I understand what you are saying but it could be the company covering their behind
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On 3/21/2023 at 8:56 AM, Lennie said:
I believe there must be a scientific base for this. It is recommended by seachem to start dosing lower amount of medicine in scaleless fish tanks too. the also classify scaleless fish as a category in their safety dosage charts . Idk about other medicine.
I don't think a company may depend their instruction on a humor, but I may be wrong. It just makes no sense in that way.
Actually there is plenty of scientific sources that support the info
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Could we get a photo of the tank (especially the detritus)
If you are like me (my tank has a good inch or so of leaf/ plant detritus) any sort of unusual strong flow kicks it up, could your filtration be working too well?
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battle of the giants!
Mbu puffer (blue heart)
arapima (purple trophy)
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Due to an unbroken tie between pea puffers and mbu puffers (and my inability to pick a side) I used a random number generator to determine that the winner is… mbu puffers!
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Cherry shrimp and mystery snails win!
bolivian ram (blue heart)
ghost knife fish (purple trophy)
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On 3/21/2023 at 7:12 AM, Theplatymaster said:
this makes sense, thank you for educating us
However people treat cories with normal meds all the time,they are armored catfish, its when you get into loaches that people get concerned about.
And from what I’ve heard the majority of people don’t meditate differently, it’s just good to remember the difference between a rumor and fact!
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Do everyone knows that you shouldn’t give the full dose of meds to scaleless fish, right?
wronge.
The thought is that because scaleless fish taken in through the skin and due to lack of scales more is taken in then scaled fish, this is wrong on SOOOOOO many levels
1st: scaleless fish have thicker skin and thicker slime coat. Therefore if anything they would need MORE meds because it would be harder to takin
1.5: many south American catfish have large bony plates
2nd: medication isn’t taken in through the skin! They are taken in though the gills!
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yesterday i tried to go out and find some central maryland birds, no luck though : (
during early spring we get tons of cool migratory water fowl
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On 3/20/2023 at 12:53 PM, Guppy Guy said:
Aww man! I only just found out about this! Oh well, at least I caught part of it 😛
dont worry we still have the right side for round two!
On 3/20/2023 at 2:59 PM, Theplatymaster said:ill do both.
do one or the other, if you do both your vote may get counted twice (that is if you are referring to a reaction. if you are referring to an image please refrain from doing so, id prefer for each matchup to be easily accessible, and id prefer if things dont get bury as it stands 2 images per entry is already a lot of space)
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On 3/20/2023 at 1:00 PM, Theplatymaster said:
if you are opposed to using reactions, just type your vote out
because im not going to count an image, that just gets to confusing and can lead to problems
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Acf (blue heart)
Mystery snail (purple trophy)
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Cherry shrimp (blue heart)
adf (purple trophy)
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Amazon puffer (blue heart)
vampire shrimp (purple trophy)
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Sorry no rounds yesterday, I didn’t have my phone
winners were, sae and tie (I tie break with neon tetras)
Wcmm (blue heart)
betta (purple trophy)
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Sae (blue heart)
comet goldfish (purple trophy)
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Khuli loaches and bnp win
Neon tetra (blue heart)
Cardinal tetra (purple trophy)
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On 3/17/2023 at 9:21 AM, Liddojunior said:
Okay while my vote is for Khuli loaches cause they are so cool and cute.
The endler photo is not doing any justice hereBut it’s my first fish I raised, also it does capture their chaotic nature
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If you want a day trip and some shrimp just head down to the estuaries and catch some grass shrimp!
or maybe raise your own crabs!🤤🤤🤤🤤
On 3/17/2023 at 7:10 AM, Fish Folk said:Another wonderful part of the little trip to catch NANF in NC was a visit over to Knoxville, TN. We did not try to catch any fish there, but we greatly enjoyed the onset of spring…
My son spotted a very rare bird for the area (Hydrocoloeus minutus)…
And most importantly, we spent about 4x glorious hours touring Conservation Fisheries, where endangered US fish are professionally propagated in captivity, tagged, and reintroduced to the wild. I took no photos or video — wanted to just be in the moment and respect the hosts — but it was unreal. Totally blew my mind open…
Here are just a few of the endangered amazing US natives we saw that they are breeding…
You can get nonthreatend madtoms!
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Try isolating a recessive trait, for starters, should be pretty easy (once you find one)
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Bnp (blue heart)
ember tetra (purple trophy)
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Endlers (blue heart)
khuli loach (purple trophy)
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Medicating scaleless fish
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i mean it could be correlation not causation, as many scalless fish are benthic feeders and due to that can bioaccumulate metals in higher concentrations
one defining characteristic of catfish is the lack of scales, in sturgeon for example the scoots are modified scales, but not in catfish