Cjbear087 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Hi, I have recently discovered that my fish has camallanus worms, and I have a treatment plan. I have a few things I would like to know and clarify before I start: 1. I am treating the tank with Fritz Expel-P (levamisole) and am aware that I need to gravel vac the tank 24 hours after treating. My question is am I okay to do a 25% water change after 24 hours aswell, or does the levamisole need to stay in for longer than that? 2. I have been told I need to sterilise any external equipment that has been in contact with the water (in my case a bucket, a net, an algae scrubber, some syringes, 2 syphons, a jug, a test tube, scissors and a thermometer) and how would I go about doing this? Do I use bleach and water? Also, I have to repeat the treatment weekly for 4 weeks, so would I sterilise everything at the end of the 4 weeks or sooner? Any advice is appreciated :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 3/24/2024 at 10:36 PM, Cjbear087 said: Hi, I have recently discovered that my fish has camallanus worms, and I have a treatment plan. I have a few things I would like to know and clarify before I start: 1. I am treating the tank with Fritz Expel-P (levamisole) and am aware that I need to gravel vac the tank 24 hours after treating. My question is am I okay to do a 25% water change after 24 hours aswell, or does the levamisole need to stay in for longer than that? 2. I have been told I need to sterilise any external equipment that has been in contact with the water (in my case a bucket, a net, an algae scrubber, some syringes, 2 syphons, a jug, a test tube, scissors and a thermometer) and how would I go about doing this? Do I use bleach and water? Also, I have to repeat the treatment weekly for 4 weeks, so would I sterilise everything at the end of the 4 weeks or sooner? Any advice is appreciated 🙂 some debate as to how long levamisole remains active some think a couple of hour upto 24hr after 24hr your fine to do a water change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 On 3/25/2024 at 12:52 AM, Colu said: some debate as to how long levamisole remains active some think a couple of hour upto 24hr after 24hr your fine to do a water change Ok thanks, and do you know the answer to my second question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I would steriliser your nets and equipment in a bucket containing 3% hydrogen peroxide solution after 24hr it turns into H20 and oxygen you can attach a small pump to your siphon hose and run it in a bucket for 24hr with hydrogen peroxide solution just given them a good rinse in dechlorinated water after the 24hr I would do that at the end of the 4 weeks treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOtrees Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I have a similar situation, and have related questions, and @Colu always seems to be (one of) the most knowledgeable on this... Does camallanus have any water-borne stage? Ie how likely is tank-to-tank cross-contamination, via water drops? If I dip my fingers in a tank with infected fish (specifically with this parasite), say to feed pellets below the surface, then wipe my fingers on my pants or shirt, I'm assuming that cross-contamination would be extremely unlikely. I know, no one wants to come out and say impossible, because zero is zero and everything else is non-zero, which is something. I'm not asking for 100% or impossible or certainty, I'm merely looking for real-world advice. Second question, being in Canada, my product of choice (rather of necessity) is flubendazole. Wetwebmedia has positive things to say about it, so I have high hopes. Can anyone recommend a re-treatment interval, and a number of treatment rounds? I want to wipe it out for sure, not knock it down and deal with it again in a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) Camallanus worms can survive for 3 weeks outside of the fish when it infects your fish it can take 4 weeks before you start to see symptoms I would always be concerned about cross contamination with the way you feed cross contamination is very unlikely I couldn't say no chance of cross contamination usually with flubendazole you want to do 4 full courses of treatment 1 week apart that's what I have done with NT labs fluke and wormer that contains flubendazole 1000mg/100ml I found it to be very effective @TOtrees Edited March 25 by Colu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 On 3/25/2024 at 1:55 PM, Colu said: Camallanus worms can survive for 3 weeks outside of the fish when it infects your fish it can take 4 weeks before you start to see symptoms I would always be concerned about cross contamination with the way you feed cross contamination is very unlikely I couldn't say no chance of cross contamination usually with flubendazole you want to do 4 full courses of treatment 1 week apart that's what I have done with NT labs fluke and wormer that contains flubendazole 1000mg/100ml I found it to be very effective @TOtrees Should I sterilise at the end of the 4 weeks or sooner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) If your going to be using anything in another tank I would steriliser now if not I would what till you have finished 4 weeks treatment to steriliser everything Edited March 25 by Colu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 On 3/25/2024 at 5:18 PM, Colu said: If your going to be using anything in another tank I would steriliser now if not I would what till you have finished 4 weeks treatment to steriliser everything How sure are you that they were camallanus worms, I’ve kinda planned everything around them being that, but what if they aren’t? I’ll attach some pics. Can’t get great pictures but can tell you I see a few tiny red lines protruding from one of my guppies anus and poop seems to be getting stuck. I believe on one of my other posts I attached some better pictures. I would also like to mention appetite seems okay, and it was bloated a few days ago but isn’t really now at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Going off your other picture I would say am 99% sure your fish have camallanus worms bloating could have go down because he's passed some of the worms @Cjbear087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 On 3/25/2024 at 10:02 PM, Colu said: Going off your other picture I would say am 99% sure your fish have camallanus worms bloating could have go down because he's passed some of the worms @Cjbear087 Ok good (well not so good lol) thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 A few weeks ago I have diagnosed my guppy with camallanus worms but for the last few days and especially today the poop is getting stuck really badly, and it’s whiteish. Is this a normal symptom? I get the treatment on Friday (Expel P) so do you reckon it will be okay until then? @Coluif you got the answer to this it would be much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Camallanus worms can cause intestinal blockage that can be caused when your fish has a high parasite burden it struggling to pass the parasites @Cjbear087 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 12:15 AM, Colu said: Camallanus worms can cause intestinal blockage that can be caused when your fish has a high parasite burden it struggling to pass the parasites @Cjbear087 So the expel-p arrives on Friday, do you reckon the fish will be able to survive until then, I will start treating then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 6:09 AM, Cjbear087 said: So the expel-p arrives on Friday, do you reckon the fish will be able to survive until then, I will start treating then It probably will survive till then camallanus worms can cause internal damage when your fish has a high parasite burden even with treatment it may still die I would still treat all of your fish with 4 full courses of expel p. you don't need to start a new thread each time you ask a question just continue on the original thread it makes it easy to follow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 12:31 PM, Colu said: It probably will survive till then camallanus worms can cause internal damage when your fish has a high parasite burden even with treatment it may still die I would still treat all of your fish with 4 full courses of expel p. you don't need to start a new thread each time you ask a question just continue on the original thread it makes it easy to follow Ah right sorry I know for the future. So basically even if I get rid of the worms it could still negatively affect it in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 8:31 AM, Colu said: you don't need to start a new thread each time you ask a question just continue on the original thread it makes it easy to follow I have combined the two topics to keep continuity of information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 12:56 PM, Guppysnail said: I have combined the two topics to keep continuity of information Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/28/2024 at 12:34 PM, Cjbear087 said: Ah right sorry I know for the future. So basically even if I get rid of the worms it could still negatively affect it in the future Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cjbear087 Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 @Colu Ok so treated with expel p last night and worms seem to have gone except from 1 tiny one which is still coming out of vent, although it is white not red (dead now maybe) so is this a problem (going to treat for another 3 weeks anyway) also the prolapse is much much smaller now to the point where you almost cannot see it so is it still worth doing epsom baths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 The medication paralyzes the worms making it easy for the fish two expel them it doesn't kill the eggs that why it requires multiple treatments spread over 4 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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