murphy lover 101 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) I have a school of 6 angel fish in an established 55 that I got a few days ago and one of them is at the bottom of the tank with a curved body struggling to swim but not dead. What is happening? Is the ammonia still harming them? Ammonia .25 (being suppressed with dechlorinator until bacteria catches up to new bioload as I have been feeding a lot) nitrite 0 nitrate 30 ph 8.2 (in the process of lowering it with almond leaves is 3 for 55 gallons enough?) temp 79 Edited July 17, 2023 by murphy lover 101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 It's difficult to specify what is going on. I would recommend daily 50% water changes to dilute the ammonia out and help the fish. Adding an airstone may also be beneficial at this time. The goal is to get the water quality up to par first and foremost. The fish looks a little beat up. I don't know if it was attacked or what is causing stress. I would isolate the fish in a QT setup or in a breeder box if possible for now. Check for wounds or places where the fish could injure itself as well. Right now I would simply focus on water changes and monitor the situation. The only explanation or guess I have is that filtration or that the other fish caused some damage to this angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick-In-Of-TheSea Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Agreed; I’d water change along with using the detoxifying dechlorinator to help the bacteria out. It takes time for them to multiply. On 7/17/2023 at 5:07 AM, nabokovfan87 said: on. I would recommend daily 50% water changes to dilute the ammonia out and help the fish. Adding an airstone may also be beneficial at this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 17, 2023 Author Share Posted July 17, 2023 Will do a water change when I get back home. For now the fish has died and another one has started acting up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 On 7/16/2023 at 10:02 PM, murphy lover 101 said: ph 8.2 (in the process of lowering it with almond leaves is 3 for 55 gallons enough?) I don't think catappa leaves will work long term to lower the PH/KH. You'd want to use wood, aquasoil substrate (even in a bag) or something like seachem acid buffer. Does the fish look like the tail fin is deteriorating? Does it look like fin rot? Do you have any way to test your KH? https://www.aquariumcoop.com/blogs/aquarium/ph-gh-kh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 no fin rot or kh test. I got some ammonia remover mixed with carbon while I was out today which will remove my tannins but is what is. I lost the other one as well and remaining four are acting normal. I put the pellets in my 207 without a filter media bag because when I used the bag there were spots where water could get through and I put some filter floss on top to keep them from escaping into the aquarium and will do a water change after dinner. On 7/17/2023 at 2:28 PM, nabokovfan87 said: Do you have any way to test your KH? I have the bottles but don't have a chart to compare it to or the instructions to run the test. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/17/2023 at 5:54 PM, murphy lover 101 said: I have the bottles but don't have a chart to compare it to or the instructions to run the test. They have the charts online in case you lose them. Not perfect, but better than nothing. Here is the API one. https://www.apifishcare.co.uk/pdfs/products-uk/kh-test-kit/kh-test-kit-instruction-manual.pdf Essentially, you count the number of drops until the color shifts. On 7/17/2023 at 5:54 PM, murphy lover 101 said: I put the pellets in my 207 without a filter media bag because when I used the bag there were spots where water could get through and I put some filter floss on top to keep them from escaping into the aquarium and will do a water change after dinner. Peat pellets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/17/2023 at 7:14 PM, nabokovfan87 said: Peat pellets? no I bought Marineland's combination of carbon and zeolite ammonia removing pellets on my way home today. thank you for the chart I will test tonight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 I have completed kh and gh testing. Kh is 8 and I couldn't get the gh to turn green so either I have super super high gh, or the test has gone bad, which is possible if it's heat sensitive as it's been in my hot garage (I live in Arizona) for a couple years. How concerned should I be about the gh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) GH is what the plants use to grow. What color is the GH test with 1 drop added? GH test: Orange --> Green Edited July 18, 2023 by nabokovfan87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 9:40 AM, nabokovfan87 said: What color is the GH test with 1 drop added? Clear I lost another one over night ammonia .25 nitrite 0 nitrate 40 ph 8.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) On 7/18/2023 at 9:38 PM, murphy lover 101 said: Clear I lost another one over night ammonia .25 nitrite 0 nitrate 40 ph 8.2 As your still losing fish I would also do a course of maracyn2 in food feeding a small amount twice a day for 7 days just in case there's a bacterial component to the death's and add an extra air Edited July 18, 2023 by Colu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 you're saying to feed them maracyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 9:45 PM, murphy lover 101 said: you're saying to feed them maracyn? Yes treat maracyn or maracyn2 which one you have to hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 I don't have either I would have to go buy it. Could I put it in repashy? would it work to add salt to the tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 9:49 PM, murphy lover 101 said: I don't have either I would have to go buy it. Could I put it in repashy? would it work to add salt to the tank? Yes you can add it to repashy just mix in the medication as it starts to thicken . Salt Will work at the level needed 1 table spoon for 2 gallons it will harm your plants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 Ok I will get maracyn from coop hopefully it gets here on time. Also why does it need to be eaten rather than in the water colum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/18/2023 at 1:59 PM, murphy lover 101 said: Also why does it need to be eaten rather than in the water colum? It is more effective that way. Sometimes you have to add garlicguard to the food to encourage them to eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 Ok. If they don't eat it do I just dose the water? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 You would just keep trying. It may take 3-4 "meals" for them to get the proper dose. So you'll make it once and feed it through the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy lover 101 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Share Posted July 18, 2023 alright will report back when I feed the meds or loose more fish. should be here day after tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/19/2023 at 12:03 AM, murphy lover 101 said: Ok. If they don't eat it do I just dose the water? If you can't get them to eat the medicated food then I would dose the tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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