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Tihshho Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/8/2021 at 11:38 PM, Brandon p said: https://www.cabi.org/isc/datasheet/32526 you could transport them with a permit in the 2000’s now USDA-APHIS inspects for them. I have seen them on eBay and on Aquabid. On eBay most descriptions say you are responsible for the laws in your area. You can almost guarantee they don’t have a permit. In my state they are totally illegal and are supposed to eradicated I found. I just want you guys to be careful. Like I said I had them and enjoyed them when they didn’t destroy my planted tanks(2) I thought in 2019 there was a new law but I don’t follow that closely. Learn something new everyday, thanks for the source! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGenusCaps Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 Here is the relevant USDA passage: Decollate snails (Rumina decollata) and aquatic snails in the family Ampullaridae ( e.g., Pomacea canaliculata, channeled apple snail), with one exception, may not be imported or moved interstate except for research purposes into an APHIS inspected containment facility. One species in the family Ampullaridae, Pomacea diffusa (formerly bridgesii) may move interstate without a permit because these snails are not known to be agricultural pests but are primarily algae feeders. Seems a good reason for me to breed them and get them to LFS around here. Won't be moving interstate, and they are not considered problematic here. Hmm... Might have to care for these little buggers with purpose now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 Always wondered why I never found them. Per reading more articles it seems that these guys are omnivores and will polish off everything from plants (including duckweed), soft inverts (so molted snails are going to become dinner) and eggs. These guys seem to be more suited for displays or temporary cleanup crews that get migrated tank to tank knowing what damage they could inflict to everything in the tank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGenusCaps Posted September 9, 2021 Author Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/9/2021 at 11:07 AM, Tihshho said: These guys seem to be more suited for displays or temporary cleanup crews that get migrated tank to tank knowing what damage they could inflict to everything in the tank. I keep them to maintain the cycle in my Qt. They are exceptional at that! And, they are impressive and very nice looking critters! I think in low density they are fine as @laritheloud has noted, but I agree, they do not come without risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laritheloud Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) Moral of the story: Keep only one, like I do. 😅 He's super cool, but I have seen him slurp small bladder snails out of their shells and gobble them down. My blue dream shrimps are fine, though, and breeding prolifically! EDIT TO ADD: I actually bought mine at my local fish store, so I assume they were legal. Edited September 9, 2021 by laritheloud 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/9/2021 at 1:17 PM, laritheloud said: My blue dream shrimps are fine, though, and breeding prolifically! This is good to know! If you ever notice him go after a molted shrimp please let us know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laritheloud Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/9/2021 at 1:21 PM, Tihshho said: This is good to know! If you ever notice him go after a molted shrimp please let us know. Will do. I do ensure he gets fed with Repashy or invert pellets daily and he chows them fully down. The guy has an appetite for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 On 9/9/2021 at 1:27 PM, laritheloud said: Will do. I do ensure he gets fed with Repashy or invert pellets daily and he chows them fully down. The guy has an appetite for sure. My concern is if I go away on a business trip or vacation... How will they fair with limited regular meals and how will the shrimp mates be seen in terms of tank mate vs dinner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGenusCaps Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 After a bit more than a month, @Tihshho I can conclusively say they will eat crypts when they are at density. I think I have to pull them soon. Interesting experiment though. Glad I did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 8:44 AM, OnlyGenusCaps said: After a bit more than a month, @Tihshho I can conclusively say they will eat crypts when they are at density. I think I have to pull them soon. Interesting experiment though. Glad I did it. Thanks for the info. This is definitely something that isn't discussed much about this species. Only the agricultural documents discus flora damage, I had not read any plant damage/destruction experiences by any hobbyists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laritheloud Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I'm gonna update a little bit on my single ramshorn, too. I have NOT witnessed him eating any shrimp. They're too fast for him anyway. He absolutely does eat hornwort. Which I don't care about, because it grows fast enough to not matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyGenusCaps Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 So, my CRS bucket is now wildly full of baby snails. These things can produce! It's making me think I need puffers... But that's a story for another thread. What I wanted to report on was how they have impacted the water in the bucket. I normally do a 20% daily water change on them because there are about 300+ snails in there, growing fast. But, I was out of town for 5 days recently,. Curious, I dipped a strip in to see what the water was at, mostly interested in the nitrates. And they were high for any of my tanks at about 20ppm. But what really caught my eye was the weird colors on the other reading on the strip. My well water runs at about 8.2pH, a GH of about 300, and a KH of about 180. Well, in the snail bucket after 5 days the pH was <6.5, the GH was down to about 120, and the KH was zero! I've never seen numbers like this with my water before! So, I think what has happened is there are enough snails in the bucket that to build their shells, they pulled the Ca out of the water, reducing the GH, eliminating the KH, and plunging the pH. Who knew snails could do that?! And this is despite the fact I have a huge limestone "ReefSaver" rock in there with them! So maybe I can have discus if I just have enough CRS to lower the hardness and pH. 🤪 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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