[Saffron Shiner Journal]

Thanks for the info. I’ll continue digging. 
 

And I would consider visiting the USA for breeding group. If it can be shipped to P.O. Box. 

[Saffron Shiner Journal]

Thanks for the info. I’ll continue digging. 

[Saffron Shiner Journal]

I’ve been hoping to breed these guys as well up here in Canada. 
I’ve had good consistent success with the Rainbows (thanks to @WhitecloudDynasty) and really want to find a breeding group of these….

any suggestions would be great. 

[Crooked spines?!!]

We’ll, amazingly there is only 1 fry now with a crooked spine.
Either the others straightened out or they grew legs and crawled out of the tank!

Very curious. 

[Crooked spines?!!]

If that’s the XTreme Nano, I use it. And it does “drop” or sink quickly. 
The shiners still dig through my subwassertang to find it though. 
This has turned into a very useful thread. Thanks everyone. 

[Crooked spines?!!]

Whoa!!!!  @WhitecloudDynasty you’ve been holding out on us!!! 
I mix up my foods, bloodworms, brineshrimp live, algae wafers, flake food…..you name it.

But I don’t actually look the at content ingredients!!!!

I have a lot to learn still!
That’s a good thing.

Or I’d be bored. 

[Crooked spines?!!]

I’m also hoping natural selection will sort these guys out…..but I have no predators, just time, I suppose. 

[Crooked spines?!!]

Thanks for that. 
I’m personally leaning towards water conditions as to your point.  Perhaps the breeding tank is older we’ll conditioned water vs newer water (after the water changes during Meth Blue removal etc.)  

As for future batches, if it doesn’t repeat, it’s not genetics….yet. 
@WhitecloudDynastymentioned I likely have so many different ones mixing right now that the gene pool isn’t too lean yet….

[Crooked spines?!!]

So after breeding my Rainbow Shiners for a year and a half or so I just produced a batch with about 20 or so fry with crooked spines. 
The eggs had a 20-30% death rate. 
Yikes. 
However, The following group of eggs/fry were all fine so I’m wondering if it was

1) a bacteria problem (water quality)

2) really tough eggs and they couldn’t bust out before injuring themselves 

3) genetics

4) bad batch/bad luck

Any thoughts?  Like I said the next group that are swimming now are all perfect. 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

So interesting. I never considered water pressure. Of course. 
Thank you. Always learning and accepting of more helpful information. 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

I may have the airstone on too high. Perhaps It’s creating current and causing the fry to fight it. 
I’ll lower the water level too. I was keeping it full to the top thinking the more clean water in the tank the less chance of it going cloudy. 
 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

…..and then today I see 70% loss of newly hatched fry!

I did a final water change on day 3 after collecting the eggs, my water was aged 24 hours. 
Not sure what happened!

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

Another point of interest is how temperature affects growth rates of fry. 
At 70F+ from egg to swimming is consistently 10-13 days. 
My tanks are at 63F and the fry took 20 days fully swim and that doesn’t include them all. Many are still laying low in the bottom. 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:36 PM, WhitecloudDynasty said:

Just 1 male

Thats one reason I breed them in a 20long. Easy to catch and just enough room, too big of an aquarium and they may spawn somewhere else, too small the female may get hassle too much.

So I moved 1 male and 2 fat females into a 5 gallon hoping to breed them.  The male ended up in a potted plant next to the tank a few days later. I don’t have lids on my tanks and clearly a 5 gallon is too small for those adult fish. Too bad. 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

Too late now!    Guess we’ll see what happens.  I’ll set the mood with some Barry White music. 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

So I’ve selected 1 nice female and 1 nice male and have placed them in a 10 gallon with a container with rocks. 

@WhitecloudDynastyDo you recommend darkening the tank?

They we’re starting to fire up when I selected them.  Now they are hiding. 
 

I’m hoping they are just adjusting and will get back in the tonight or tomorrow. 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

It’s been no problem collecting the eggs, rather, there’s enough to work with.  
They seem to only spawn on the rocks I place in the tank at the time of colour change. 
Fry have not been reintroduced to the breeding population yet so there’s no been no breeding yet. 
Eventually I’d need to introduce new bloodlines, yes?

we may need to set up a trade?

I’ll try catching one male and one fat female sometime to see how that works. 
Interesting to compare the numbers of eggs that actually get collected vs. all the eggs that get eaten during the group spawn!!

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

How many males were in with her for the spawning?

I find it nearly impossible to catch my individuals. My tanks are too large. 75g

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

@WhitecloudDynastyYes I have. I plan to heavily stock an outdoor pond to watch the schooling in a stream I built. I’m also using the stocks in my aquaponic grow op in my basement. 
I continue to try and build a better egg catcher.  Right now there seems to be a lot of egg consuming before they fall through the stones to be collected. 
Have’nt approached any LFS’s to sell them.  
I want them for myself right now. 

its now been a full year since I started trying to breed.
Lots of learning.

Lots of fun. 

I’ve posted some videos on Joefishgofish on YouTube. 

[Amano shrimp juvies, now what?]

I’m watching some Avatar Aquatics YouTube videos. 
fingers crossed. 
 

thanks. 
 

keep you posted. 

[Amano shrimp juvies, now what?]

And it’s big.  1.5” at least. 

Closer to 2”. 

[Amano shrimp juvies, now what?]

Bought it as an Amano. 

Bought it as an Amano. 

[Amano shrimp juvies, now what?]

I separated my berried Amano shrimp to her own 1 gallon tank to see if I could capture/raise baby amanos. 
She has started releasing them and every hour I have a dozen or so more babies swimming around. 

what next?

Brackish to Salt and back to Fresh  

looking for a thread for this topic…

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

Yes I do!!!!

I’ve traded some now. And a member from this blog has some of mine now too. 
They look amazing in big schools. 
My LFS is interested in carrying some. 
They are doing really well. 
I will continue to grow them out and put the majority outside next spring and see if anyone else is interested in them. 
 

[Joe’s Notropis chrosomus Breeding Attempts]

Learned something else today,….…..was adding some 1 month old fry to my 65 gallon tub for my aquaponics setup. That tub has some 2 month olds and some 3 month old fry in it. 
Shiner Fry will eat anything they can get their mouths around. 
I don’t know why I thought it would be different, except that some fish don’t eat their young (White Clouds etc.). 

I fed the older ones heavily before adding the newest but they were very intrigued by the new fun food source I’d just added. 
……they may be all picked off by tomorrow.  
Time will tell. 

Another lesson learned. 
I need more tanks. 
I always need more tanks!!!