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On 4/1/2024 at 6:20 AM, Colu said:
There's not a lot to go on sound like there becoming weak that could be to illness lack of food can you post some pictures of the angels were they thin when you got them did they have a sunken belly any rapid breathing hanging out near the surface spitting food out flashing white stringy poop @Gliderzz
They didn't seem thin, but also not like their stomach was full. Essentially what came first was lethargy, then rapid breathing, loss of balance & spitting all food out by that point. Occasionally would be able to swim normally for a few mins but would go back to laying down/spinning. No stringy poop & no flashing. Rummies are acting normal. I made the unfortunate decision to humanely euthanize it, as in my experience any fish at that point tends to pass away pretty fast but uncomfortably. Under the microscope I did not find any flukes.
I placed the last angel into a planted 5 gal to reduce food competition, and hopefully reduce disease spread (if disease is the issue). He looks and acts very normal. I was thinking that with adequate food & water the issue might go away on its own, and if it does return I could place the angel back into the qt tank. Would this be fine?
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On 3/31/2024 at 9:44 PM, Tony s said:
@Colu is the person to ask about fish disease and treatment. But it does seem like a rather aggressive quarantine approach. Usually quarantine is mostly for observation. Not prophylactic treatments. I think at the most people will use coops quarantine trio. But most often nothing at all for four weeks. Just observation. Making sure they’re eating and active. If they stay that way, they’re usually fine. And if they don’t, you have a better idea of what to treat them with.
Yeah, that's what I typically do. The reason I went with medication is since rummies are warned to be very sensitive to disease when purchased from the store. So I started out with my typical low-level treatment method for 1-2 weeks, then reducing it significantly for the following 1-2 weeks
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Thanks! I'll lower the salt concentration then, though I haven't had any issues with it having treated other low ph softwater species.
I'm also considering moving the last healthy one into a separate, empty & heavily planted 5.5 gallon tank. Just to make sure that (if it is a disease) it has the lowest chance of spreading & the angel gets lots of food without competition from rummies. If the angel does happen to get sick, then I would move it back into the medicated tank. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Thanks again
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Angels are about 1.75 inches from head to tail and the rummies are doing great. It dawned on me that lack of food might be part of the issue. I've had two different fry species (honey gouramis and bronze cories) act very similar when experiencing malnutrition/lack of food. The rummies are very quick eaters and so I'd watch them whenever feeding. I always made sure to sprinkle in a bit extra food for the angels but haven't really observed them eating. Might have to specifically watch them eat to see if they've been getting much food into their bellies
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Bought a trio of angels with 12 rummies last week. Immediately put into a 10g with 3tbsp salt and 1ppm methylene blue. One was always a bit weak and timid, passed away after a wc a few days ago. I assumed it wasn't disease since some fish don't switch tanks well. Raised the salinity to 3.5tbsp. Today the second angel started acting weird. Lethargic, hiding. Now it has started laying on its side, spinning in circles. I'm assuming it will pass soon, but would like to save the last angel. The last one is quite sentimental to me so I'd really love to do something. Any advice?
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I attempted to breed honey gouramis a few months back. I placed a conditioned male into a 10 gallon tank (lowered water level to about 4-5 inches, sponge filter, heater, air stone with good aeration, and a java moss clump). Placed the female into a deli cup with water into the tank, acting as a physical barrier (since the male chased the female without a bubble nest in previous attempts). Didn't keep her in there for long, as the male prepared a bubble nest.
I then separated the male and female, and left for a few hours. After returning, the male had all his eggs in the bubble nest. He then began eating them and destroying the bubble nest. I removed the male from the tank and salvaged the remaining eggs.
I wasn't sure I could raise them up as there was no information I could find online about raising gouramis without the dad. I lowered the water level even more, to about 1-1.5 inches, and increased the aeration. The next day the fry hatched, and the majority survived into the free-swimming stage.
I began with feeding paramecia, eventually upgrading to vinegar eels and live bbs. The water level was raised very gradually, water changes were tedious, but I used a deli cup to - very carefully - lower the clean water into the tank, tipping the container very slowly to let the water out. I did not raise any water for the first 2 weeks, and then increased it by maybe 1-2 inches every 1.5ish weeks (depending on their size).
I was only able to raise about four fry into the juvenile stage, but I do not think this was due to the lack of a dad. I had very few deaths in the first week. The rest were unfortunately care related, as this was one of my first few times raising fry.
Here are a few photos of them. Sorry for the bad quality lol
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I've always wanted angelfish, have a 55 gallon tank. Was initially thinking of getting a group but it seems like they can get pretty aggressive. There is so much conflicting information with how many a person should keep, that it seems like getting a solo angel will reduce all of the problems. Would it be fine getting a solo angel or are they a social species?
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On 1/18/2024 at 10:19 PM, AllFishNoBrakes said:
My biggest secret has been my Panda Angels. I get $4 in store credit for each one. I take them 15-20 at a time to the LFS, and that $60-80 stacks up.
I let the parents spawn as they please, and if I’m in need of the next batch I’ll pull it. I take the spawn down to a manageable size, roughly 60-100 eggs. I then hatch those eggs, and grow em out over the coming months. I don’t rush it, I just feed them well once per day and do a water change once per week. My goal is to raise healthy fish, not raise them as fast as possible.
I grow them out a bit bigger since my LFS was stoked the first time I brought them in a little bigger. No big deal to me, so I do it. Just means I get to enjoy the fish for longer.
When I go into the LFS and notice they’re low I’ll hit them up and ask if they’re ready for the next batch. Likewise, if it has been a while and I have the next batch ready and I haven’t heard from them I’ll hit them up.
I used to do smaller more frequent spawns, but I’ve realized I can just hatch one bigger batch, and then take em to the LFS 15 at a time, always getting rid of the biggest ones. Then the smaller ones catch up and I take those, rinse and repeat.
I’ve spawned other fish, but they take more effort and time, grow slower, and I don’t get as much per fish, so I’ve just stuck to the Panda Angels the past year or so and it has worked out really well for me. I regularly have $200-300 in store credit just waiting to be used. If I need something I always look there first to use the credit I’ve stacked up. If they don’t have it or something comparable, then I’ll go elsewhere.
This has garnered a great relationship with the LFS where the manager and employees know me by name, and I know theirs. They’re also willing to bring things in for me if they have access to it. They know I have the store credit, so it’s not a big deal to them to tack something onto an order they’re already placing anyways.
I guess that’s the long-winded way to say what @Fish Folk said as #1 in their original post. I’ve found a species that I’m good at and is profitable for me, so I keep doing it.
that's amazing! This seriously helps with understanding the rhythm around breeding & selling
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Thanks for all the advice!
I'm raising the temperature a bit, and increasing water changes as well as feedings. Something I didn't think about was that the fry are large enough to eat dry food, so I should probably feed them both live and dry to increase the frequency of feedings. I think the lack of water changes played the biggest role, since I didn't know that affected their development (water was changed often, but could probably be changed more often). Thanks again!
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On 1/12/2024 at 11:49 PM, Fish Folk said:
In my opinion, unless you (1) get very good at one or two specific valuable species, (2) can produce them consistently in substantial quantities, and (3) unless you get good at shipping fish…
…breeding fish for profit is more of a pipe dream than a profitable plan.
Do what you enjoy!
Here’s what I’m enjoying…
For sure! My goal isn't to make consistent money off of breeding, rather not be losing it. It takes about 7-9 months to raise fry to a sellable size, and even then I usually only get 10-15 (with my current batch, only 6). I'd love to know how people are able to get high survival rates and raise the fish in 4-5 months
and by the way, those rainbow shiners are insanely beautiful!
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Looks great to me! Just make sure you have a lid but that's the only thing
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There are so many resources about which fish to breed for profit, but not on how to do it well. I've been able to raise a couple batches of fry (cories, guppies & gouramis) but it usually takes a long time. What are your best breeding practices? Do you have any tips/tricks to raise your fish faster?
As a side note, I have three 10 gallon tanks. Should I choose one species and stick with them? How would be the best way to do that? etc.
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On 12/1/2023 at 7:13 PM, Revaria said:
Best of luck with the next batch you get and the last straggler. I personally feed super tiny fry the 5-50 micron golden pearls from brine shrimp direct using a interdental brush for braces if they can't eat bbs when they first hatch. If the lone jar is too big and you want to get quickly use it, you can also mix it up with flake food to feed your other fish.
On 12/1/2023 at 3:34 PM, Guppysnail said:Starvation and malnutrition does not always mean lack of food. It also comes from lack of variety or lack of specific needed elements in the diet. I’m sorry you lost the others.
On 12/1/2023 at 8:24 AM, jwcarlson said:I'm no expert, but after six weeks I'm not sure vinegar eels and paramecia are going to be enough to sustain them? Vinegar eels in particular are usually a bridge to get to bigger foods like BBS. Truthfully, I don't know about honey gourami fry in particular, so take this for what it's worth.
How many did you start with and how many are there now? How many are left?
It's been a good few days since I've been feeding the fry bbs and have some great news: I haven't found any more dead fry! Definitely does seem like starvation/malnutrition was the cause, and I'll continue feeding them until they get big enough to take flakes/pellets. Thanks so much!
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On 12/2/2023 at 5:03 PM, nabokovfan87 said:
I can't speak to why in this specific case, but generally speaking for all tanks the reason parameters fall off is known as old tank syndrome. It's a bit of a misnomer because it can happen in absolutely new tanks as well, especially when you add a lot of fish or have an active substrate pulling things out of the water.
Please be sure to watch until the end. The second half of the video has a really key explanation of what you might be experiencing.
Can you show a photo of the tank?
What is the temperature and filtration like?
I understand the advice, but I've never.... ever ran into an issue with "deep cleaning". Maybe the term should be thorough cleaning and making sure that you're doing a good enough job. Moving things like the hardscape, churning the substrate to remove anaerobic pockets, checking your filtration pump and impellers, etc. I think it's a really bad idea to try to sterilize a tank with livestock in it, but cleaning it properly has never given me issues.
Personally, I have run into quite big ammonia/nitrite spikes after siphoning the gravel, moving stuff around, performing a big water change etc.
Honestly it might be a 50/50 where some people get these issues and some don't. In my personal experience, water changes are usually enough to fix the issue. But again, performing a deep cleaning may be the right thing to do for your tank.
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Deep cleaning can sometimes do the opposite and make things worse. I'd leave it as it is & increase water change frequency. Continue monitoring params and it should eventually stabilize
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Nitrites (even a tiny amount) will cause issues in your tank. For a 5 gallon, weekly to bi-weekly water changes are usually recommended. By the way, what's the species of catfish? Plecos poop a lot and can easily overwhelm a 5 gallon tank with waste
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On 12/1/2023 at 3:34 PM, Guppysnail said:
Starvation and malnutrition does not always mean lack of food. It also comes from lack of variety or lack of specific needed elements in the diet. I’m sorry you lost the others.
Ahh, okay. That makes complete sense! I'll get some bbs hatching asap Thanks for the advice!
On 12/1/2023 at 7:13 PM, Revaria said:Best of luck with the next batch you get and the last straggler. I personally feed super tiny fry the 5-50 micron golden pearls from brine shrimp direct using a interdental brush for braces if they can't eat bbs when they first hatch. If the lone jar is too big and you want to get quickly use it, you can also mix it up with flake food to feed your other fish.
I'll definitely look into it! though I don't live in the US so getting ahold of some might be a bit tricky
On 12/1/2023 at 3:39 PM, Tlindsey said:Depending on the specie of fry most of my aquariums has plant's or algae.
This helps because fry will seek out the microorganisms that we can't see lol. Not saying not to feed but a extra food source. I hope you sort everything out with your fry.
I have some java moss in there luckily. I've noticed it adding it definitely helps with fry development & survival too!
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thanks for the replies! Now that you mention it, the symptoms do remind me of starvation. I've had a couple cory fry not eat before and unfortunately starve. Symptoms were very similar. And yeah, they've been on vinegar eels for a long time at this point. The only slightly contradictory thing is that their bellies do not look empty. They look pretty big & I saw them eating fine just a couple days ago.
As a quick update, both fry have passed, and now a small one is acting the same. Gonna check water params again since the dead fish could've spiked the ammonia
I'll start hatching bbs & try to get some good nutrients into them
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10 Gallon Tank - Shallow Water (About 3-4" in height). These are honey gourami fry, about 1.5 months old. Still fairly small (0.5-0.8 ish cm). Diet of vinegar eels, paramecia and occasional live bbs
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Have some fry dying for no obvious reason.
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrite: 0ppm
Nitrate: 20ppm
ph = around 8.2
temp = 80-82 f
Two of my biggest fry suddenly developed swim bladder issues, sporadic swimming, labored breathing, & turned pale. Have another fry species sick in a different tank, but these symptoms do not match. Have had a couple fry die a week or two ago, though I assumed they were just too weak since these fry were very small, slow growing & fragile.
Started with one, then became two. Neither are dead but they're pretty close. They've been like this for a good few hours
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Amazing. I usually have some idea with treating sick fish as it has happened a few times before, but this time I was totally lost. Thank you so much!