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@rjv23Hey, sorry for lack of updates, the MB didn't work with the salt in his QT, so I started him on Kanaplex while I waited for the Sera omnipur A and PP to arrive, it just got arrived here today, but he's only in day 5 of his antibiotic treatment, and the spot has turned into a hole a few days ago (before treatment with Kanaplex) but I think the antibiotics have slowed or halted it, but haven't seen much healing or reduction yet. My question is, should I do those 4 dips you recommended or wait out the treatment of antibiotics now, I called Seachem and they recommended 7-14 days of antibiotics before stopping? I imagine doing both might be a bit much for his system, he's been through a lot now, I gave him about 5-7 days after MB before I did the Kanaplex. just wanted to ask as tomorrow I will be giving him his 3rd dose of antibiotic and then waiting another 48hrs, so figured you might be busy and thought this would be good to ask in the middle of treatment. I'm leaning towards waiting for antibiotics and see if they work, I fear of overtaxing him, or the antibiotic not clearing it up completely and it coming back worse.

@rjv23Just a small update, still can't tell if it's better or worse, I'm starting to slowly siphon out the MB from tank, I ordered some Sera Omnipur A it's coming from france, was the closest/fastest shipping I could get, still going to be 1-3 weeks. I also found some PP which should be here in a week or so. I have done the salt peroxide dip yet as I'm still getting him off MB, so in another few days I'll probably try that, or do the Kanaplex/jungle fuzz treatment and wait for the PP and Sera omnipur product to arrive. but being the salt/peroxide bath will probably be less stress i'll start with that. do I only do the dip once or several times a week? it's going to be a few days yet as I wanna give him a couple days to rest after I get the MB filtered out. or most of it.

Got ya, thanks. still not sure if MB is working, his 4th day in it. said to do 3-5 day treatment, the blue tint makes it really hard to see if it's progressing or not. i'll let you know when the MB is over and I try the salt. I'll probably give him a couple days in a rest after MB. just to make sure not to over stress him more then he is. I'll post another picture later today too. he came out this morning for food, but then hid back into his betta log. so I'm leaving him alone. Edit: I can order the Sera but will take a bit to get here as it seems Ebay is only place that carries it nearby, the PP I can order but I am going to talk to a friend who has a couple ponds maybe they have some, but the PP I think will be quicker to get here the other might take a week or two. It's hard to find products here with Acriflavin Hydrochloride in the ingredient lists, might be one of the substances they restrict, there was so many different pet medications/supplies they restricted a few years ago. In meantime once his MB treatment is over I'll let him rest 2-3 days and monitor if it continues to grow, I'll do Salt/peroxide dip, and I can try the Kanaplex antibiotic until the AHC and PP arrive. hopefully he lives that long, poor little guy has been fighting a lot of stuff last few months.

@rjv23It's a little hard to see with the MB in the tank, but this is it today, it's actually more white/black when seen under a neutral light. its the spot in the mid section near his body.

@rjv23Thanks, and no worries about typo, I've got at least 2 more days of MB treatment, should I continue that or stop that? or do you mean to do the salt dip, and peroxide bath then put him back in the MB QT? I'm not noticing much difference, it may have halted it? but I am hesitant to stop the treatment early as it might just make it more difficult to kill? I'm trying to get pictures of his fin every day to compare, but not having much luck in the 3.5 he hides as soon as I come over I'll try to post daily pictures as well in case I miss something. I am going to move him to the 10G at least for rest, and hopefully reduce his stress, I know it's typically the leading cause of fin rot that and water parameters. Yeah I had to order Kanaplex from the U.S as in Canada antibiotics are extremely hard to get without vet prescription. just wasn't sure if I could use it with MB and salt etc. Edit : Also the only thing I found with Acriflavin was Ruby Reef Rally, it seems to be liquid not powder, having hard time finding any products in Canada with Acriflavin listed as ingredient.

@rjv23 I couldn't find any PP or acriflavinium chloride at local pond shop, but I'm going to start looking further out maybe a bigger city has some or something, my Kanaplex is here today, wondering if I can treat that with methylene blue or would it be too toxic? I also picked up a 10G to make it my new QT as he was really stressed in the 3.5g, so going to get temps matched and put him into that and match the MB back to him. Can't tell if it's helping as it's only day 3, it's still there, just can't tell if its growing or halted, trying to get pictures to compare but he's hiding a lot. but i'm assuming it could take a while to show signs of healing.

@rjv23I'll check around, I would think there should be a pond store somewhere. This was his 2nd day in MB with a little salt, so hoping to see some progress in next day or 2, but going to get a plastic tub to move him into because he seems super stressed being in 3.5G he's been in 20G for over a year so not much room to hide/move around in, sadly I didn't have any plastic tub on hand so he has to wait until tomorrow and I'll make a run into town. I had to reduce the salt in his QT today as he seemed stressed after a couple hours and lethargic, so did 50% water change, and added just some MB back in. Not sure if it was the salt, or the size of QT, but probably both. so figured I would reduce the stress of one until I can get him into a little bit large tub.

@rjv23He seems in okay health, he's not 100%, but he's not floating on his side or anything, seen him much weaker. It will take me a couple days at least to round up all this stuff as I will probably have to order from Amazon, containers won't be an issue should have some 2L around, but potassium permanganate isn't something I'm familiar with, Peroxide I have in a first aid kit. I'll check around see if I can find PP. so I'll keep the MB with AS treatment going for now until I can get all that, and give him a couple days rest before I start this treatment. Thank you, I appreciate the advice. I will post back once I have the stuff and if the MB/Salt treatment doesn't work. just to let you or others know what did or didn't work for me.

Okay, I'll do that. I did first 1G change today and re-added the MB, I'll mix some AS in a glass and slowly add it through out the day. Thanks

@ColuThank you, how should I dose the AS in the 3.5G? I'm assuming a smaller dose just in case? since he's got Mb in with him all ready, I will probably do a 1G change tomorrow as I did fill the QT with half his tank water which is 3 days old now, so if I change 1G it should be safe for a couple days. can't really test the water as the MB is making the colours hard to detect.

@ColuSo I moved Tsuny (my betta) to my 3.5 QT, he's not happy but began treating with Kordon's Methylene blue, the instructions say 10 drops per gallon, but that seems excessive, is there harm is lesser dose? or do I risk just making the situation worse? I put him in and been adding 5-10 drops every hour just to make sure he doesn't have bad reaction. I filled his 3.5G with his old tank water, put his betta log in it with a silk leaf and some silk plants in bottom, just so he's got something to move around, it's pretty small, but if only for 3-5 days I'm hoping he will be fine. he's hiding from me right now but I expected that. Also can you dose Aquarium salt with Methylene blue? or should I stick to 1 first, I figured if no improvement in 3-5 days I would move him back to his main tank after rinsing him in plastic bowl, then wash out the QT and stuff and if need be, put him back in with salt. the QT isn't cycled but obviously MB kills bacteria, so do I do water changes and add MB back in for amount taken out? I know I do for salt, but never used MB and read conflicting stuff on it, some said to leave for 3-5 days others say to do water changes.

@ColuOkay, Thanks. I'm assuming I should do this in his QT? I'm at work at the moment, but swinging by LFS to see if I can get filter media later

@ColuIt's not heavily planted but has some Moss, couple different types of Java ferns, Valisneria, Anubias and one other stem plant. the rot isn't so much on the edges of his fin but the top of his fin, a hair from his body, and it's white and black, with small pin holes forming in it. I will make stop at my LFS tomorrow on way home from work, can see if they will sell me some filter media. I should be getting more Nitrates then I am, but you may be right, the water changes and plants may be chewing up all the nitrates. I may have killed it though with water changes, today was my 2nd day of 50% water change the first one was thursday. if it gets worse before the Kanaplex gets here, is there anything else I can do? move him to QT and dose with higher salt? even though he's been in the mild salt for 5-7 days? I know more then 10 days is risky for their organs. sorry and I appreciate the help, just worried about the little guy.

@ColuRight, but I'm fairly certain my cycle has crashed again, my readings are 0ppm across the board, which means possibly weeks or more? to cycle right? how do I do that without his fin rot progressing? the 25% water changes I think killed the cycle and his fin rot got worse over that week, as it was going normally at 0.25ppm nitrites for 4 days, then one day everything read 0 and my nitrates vanished as well. I'm still dosing Prime and Stability, but with so much water changes, I think it's just basically flushing all the bacteria. just confused as I'm not sure how to cycle when he's got fin rot, as it just seems to be getting worse and the changes keep crashing the cycle. I guess what I'm asking is, since I can't seem to cycle with him in tank as he keeps getting finrot and water changes are killing the cycle, should I move him to the 3.5G un-cycled QT and wait until my 20G is cycled?

@Colu Still no progress on fin rot issue, tank cycle has crashed again, but less worried about that at the moment and want to get fin rot under control. it hasn't really grown, but starting to see 2 very small pin holes where it's infected. tried 50% water change the day before last and replaced salt then waited 1 day for 50% water change again, been 5 days with the recommended salt dose in my 20gallon, but haven't moved him to QT yet, as I wasn't sure if I needed to cycle it or not. now I'm thinking before I move him to QT I should give him a few days to rest without salt as I know prolonged salt can cause issues internally. thoughts? I could just move him to QT with no substrate and no cycle and change water daily. it does have heater, and I can outfit a small filter. I also ordered Kanaplex but it's not going to be here for a while as I can't get anti-biotics where I am, so had to use Ebay. said would be between sept. 6th-12th.