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Thanks! The angels could see each other between tanks. At first blush it seemed the male wanted back in the 75 so I put him in. Only to see the M and what I thought was one of the Females going at it. So it may be a male. Either way I hope they all survive the next few days. If the two are still going at I may put the weaker looking fish in the 40 and put the 3 new angels in there. And hope the male will pair with the favored one. I'll post an update.

I initially wanted to make a community tank with angles as the main character. When I got them, I wanted to learn more about them, When I did see a spawn I had the 40 gl set aside for them. I put them back thinking the familiar tank and mates would be good and the next spawn I was just going to remove the eggs. Then the male became aggressive, I thought it better to put them back in the 40 and the female may come around. After getting them I want to go through a spawn and see a tank full of baby Angels. My original plan was a Peacock tank and other tanks with A cacatuoides & Agazzi , German Blue Rams and a community tank. I thought they would like the tank to themselves and less grief to the two remaining angles. I should have left them alone and let them try to raise them but worried about the aggression. Or just taken the eggs. I see now this will be normal and the changes I made were worse than the tank happenings. Would you suggest putting the original male back in with the 2 females in the 75? Then put the three new coming in, in the 40 gl, monitor mating and go from there. Thanks I need to read this often. I could be wrong I see these fish going after each other and just imagine what they are saying.. One of the 2 "females" could be male. Thanks again for the help. I am very grateful for the comments and help. Terry

Thanks for the replies! More later but off to the Dr now.

Thanks for the reply. I had ordered 6 as most suggested that number to try and get some to pair up. One arrived doa, another was dead the next morning. leaving me with 4. I was waiting to add other fish as this was going to be a community tank. The more complicated things got, the more I wanted to have a batch of Angelfish. I am not accustomed to the emotional stresses these fish bring. When I saw one dead I kind of blamed myself for not removing it sooner. I have not seen a lot mentioned on the fighting and bullying that can happen and how not to let it bug you. I guess it is a common fact that gets downplayed. Is there a system to limit putting fish together anymore than is necessary. I can try to sort things out to the degree that I recognized what is happening. I guess you pick it up faster dealing with it. I'll keep reading up in "introducing fish" and look for some way to limit any fighting before I can take action.

Hello everyone. I appreciate any and all advice. I'm a new fish keeper and need some advice. I have a 75 gl. tank and ordered Koi angels. I had 4 of 6 after shipping. Initially I thought they would starve hiding, but one would come out. He turned out to be the alpha male and fought with the others when feeding later and leading the others to fight. I worried but never any fin damage. Soon he paired with another angel and had one failed spawn before I realized. I later found where they had abandoned what looks like a small first spawn. The next one was going well when I removed the pair and the eggs into a 45 gl. The morning of the third day the eggs were gone and i think the male ate them. The female seemed to shun the male and they both moped around in the tank. I put the male then the female back into the 75 gl several days later and the fighting started back instantly. I removed the male as I thought he was going to hurt one. The female stayed in the corner looking at the male and the next day I put her back in the 45 with him. The female continued to shun the male. She also did not appear to eat. At this point I hoped the pair would still mate and I ordered 3 more angels to put with the two remaining 2 female angels in the 75, hoping to get another pair. Today I was devastated, I went to the tank this morning and the female angel was dead. No sign of any damage. I think she died of a broken heart. I am at a loss on how to move ahead. I have one dominant male in the 45 and 2 passive females in the 75 with three new angles coming. My first thought is to add the new ones into the 75. When I get a pair they can go into the 45 or maybe a 20 while they breed. I guess I need to try and find a female for the dominant male but I'm not sure how to choose which one. My plan is to get a large batch of angles. I have plenty of tanks and stuff. All the water quality is good, my water is high GH & KH. I have 3 Vietnamese algae eaters and two rabbit snails in the 75 along with some cherry shrimp and the 45 is empty except for some cherry shrimp. I've spent hundreds of hours online researching and it seems like bottom line, anything is always possible. What is the best system to get these fish together with the least amount of stress on the fish, and me. Thanks!! Terry