Ottos are ideally low ph fish in wild. Unlike rams they have not been tank bred giving rams more ph flexibility. They are still wild caught. often starving when they get to a lfs and weak and alot smaller in size compared to rams. Honestly if you truly want ottos for your tank I would lower ph. If your looking for algae scrapers maybe panda Gara. If you need plants cleaned maybe shrimp but ph would likely be issue there also.