penguindance Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Hi Team, First of all, thank you for your time and efforts in educating all of us, in this forum. My Toffee (Black Gold Oranda) has been with us for a year now, he has this white pimple on the tip of his mouth for a quite long time now (I really cannot recall when/how it happened). He is fine, full of personality, however, this white pimple is giving me some concerns. I started to notice very small tiny white ones started to grow (I might be imagining) and I wanted to seek your advise on this. Tank: 55 Gallon 2 x 407 Cannister Filter Ammonia: ~0, Nitrite: ~0, Nitrate: Below 5PPM, PH: 7.2, Water Temp: 25.2F Water changed every 5 - 7 days Edited February 11, 2021 by penguindance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmiller2001 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I've seen this on a few of my fish some time ago. I believe it to be damage from bumping into things. Keep an eye on it. Mine went away in a few days. Keep the water extra clean. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) White spots could be skin flukes on your oranda Edited February 13, 2021 by Colu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguindance Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) Hey guys! sorry for the late reply, for some reason I could not login to the forum yesterday. @Mmiller2001 thank you for your reply! someone told me the same thing before, but he has been having it for at least 4 months now, but he was always normal, except today (read below) Since yesterday my Oranda started acting different than he normally is. Usually he's full of personality and active, the other fishes are fine, but he's slow and sad. Something is bothering him, and I'm not sure what it is. The water parameters are fine. I have made a quick 2 videos and posted them on youtube: (Comment: I have a feeling that one of the eyes becoming a bit white around the edges) Another video shows him having not that much energy like 2 days ago... it's funny, I made this post out of concern, and he actually started feeling unwell.. Edited February 13, 2021 by penguindance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguindance Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Hi Team, I have no where to go for help, facebook groups aren't answering. Since my last post, everything was completely fine with our Oranda, in a sudden, in less than 24 hours, he changed completely. Tank: 55 Gallon 2 x 407 Cannister Filter Ammonia: ~0, Nitrite: ~0, Nitrate: Below 5PPM, PH: 7.2, Water Temp: 25.2F Water changed every 5 - 7 days I have moved him to a 5gallons QT tank, and added 8 grams of aquarium salt + API Fin Rot (Currently waiting for API General cure to arrive in 2 hours) Youtube Video: (RIGHT NOW) An hour ago: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguindance Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Hi Team, QT Spec: 5 Gallons Sponge Filter In the QT tank, I have added 8 grams of 8g Aquarium Salt + API Erythromycin. I have just received the following medicines (took so long): - Maracyn 2 (I won't be using it for the time being, since it has the same active ingredients as the API Erythromycin) - PraziPro (I'm not quite sure if it should be mixed with API Erythromycin, I googled and found mixed messages) API General Cure will come in few hours time, I'm planning to dose it in the QT as soon as I receive it since it can be mixed with API Erythromycin. My only concern is the API General Cure contains some salt, and I have already added salt to the tank. Let me know what you think and appreciate any advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) Maracyn 2 has a different active ingredient then API Erythromycin it minocycline maracyn2 treats gram negative bacterial infection Eythromycin treats gram positive bacterial infections I don't think it a bacterial infection the white spots on your fish could skin flukes I would treat with prazipro or general cure @penguindance Edited February 13, 2021 by Colu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguindance Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 @ColuThank you! the white spot was there for more than 4 months, but my Oranda never showed any symptoms. For very unknown reason, he started acting very weird and lethergic as you can see in my last posted video above. Currently, he's in a QT tank with sponge filter and air bubbles, I have dosed half of the API General Cure pack (finally arrived) and half of the API Erythromycin. Do you recommend me to do a water change and add only General Cure? I'm just very worried that this will stress him even more and might escalate the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I would finish the course of Erythromycin just in case something else is going on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguindance Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 @Colu Thank you! I'm a bit worried, while googling, some people suggest to not to follow the dosage instruction by API, and instead of dosing half pack, they dose 1 full pack of API General Cure and Erythromycin. What your take? Also, my Oranda was in the community tank along with my 2 big Ranchus (they seem fine for now, and no symptoms), they were probably eating each others poop, do you think I should start the same treatment for them as well? I will have to do the treatment in the community tank as I don't have any other hospital tank. Will it crash the cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) I would dose what it says on the box if it parasites I would treat main tank just to be safe I would just treat with general cure in community tank in my experience I have never had any problems after using it you should be fine @penguindance Edited February 13, 2021 by Colu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguindance Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 Unfortunately he passed away this morning, it's very sad day, he was full of personality and extremely friendly (reminds me of dogs). I really don't understand what happened, maybe he was struggling long time? but he never showed not a single sign. Now, we are worried about our other Ranchus, I'm thinking to treat the community tank using the Erythromycin as well? Our community tank is bare bottom with few few plants, and I don't mind harming plants for the sake of treating my tank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I would treat your community tank with general cure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 So sorry for your loss @penguindance. I wish I had something helpful to say but it seems like whatever was affecting Toffee, it didn’t give many indicators of what it was. My guess is that the white spot on Toffee’s lip didn’t have anything to do with what ended up killing him, but it’s impossible to know for sure. Based on how he was gulping, it’s possible there was something affecting his gills? But these are all just guesses. If you’re up for it, you could check over Toffee’s body for clues. I hope your other goldfish do better. ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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