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Hi from BC, Canada...so glad I found this forum,¬†I'm new to fish keeping &¬†to forums¬†ūüôā¬†Anyway, this spot showed up three days ago on my Betta, Zora's dorsal fin, and it's creeping me out!¬† So far it's not moving around on his fin.¬† Not sure either, where it would have come from,¬†except maybe the new floating plants I put in his ten gallon tank a week ago?¬†¬†Have since removed them to a 2nd 10 gallon tank I'm cycling.¬† He hasn't had any¬†other issues in the two years I've had him.¬† Since I don't have a clue with what I'm dealing with, the pet store gave¬†me Paraguard *their suggestion* to try.¬† I gave him an hour bath yesterday, but¬†I think he gets too stressed when I take him in & out of his tank because he got pale.¬† So, can¬†I just dose his tank w\one capful of Paraguard *he has no tank mates* but has¬†a large sponge filter, so I won't be able to use carbon to take the med out afterwards.¬† What about aquarium salt? 5 tbsp. for¬†ten gallons?¬† Or would this be too much to use all at once for him to handle?¬† His parameters are:¬† Ammonia - 0 or .25 ppm, Nitrite - 0, Nitrate 5.0, PH - 7.4-7.6,¬† Hard water, don't have exact stats, Temp - 78 F, but does fluctuate in the green zone quite a bit.¬†

Sure hope someone has seen this on a fish before and can give me some direction to¬†getting rid of it.¬† Just so you know, since I live in Canada many meds are not available here.¬† Hope to hear from someone soon & thank you for your time ūüôā¬†¬†¬†

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Could be fish lice!?!¬† ¬†That is nuts.¬† I have never seen that before but definitely get some medicine for that.¬† ¬†Looking on google there are¬†Anchor Worm and Fish Lice meds available., not sure what's available in BC tho ūüėě

 

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Thanks for your input everyone....I don't think the salt is working, it's been three days now.  I know it can take longer, but my betta is starting to look a bit rough.  He's still swimming & eating okay, no erratic behavior, flashing, just pale.  What more can I do?  I took more pics...sorry they aren't very clear, but is there any difference in appearance since Sunday?  Should I get a smaller tank and dose accordingly?  I've been doing lots of research & I'm stumped.  More input is greatly appreciated.  Thanks.  

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4 minutes ago, Kathryn_S said:

Thanks for your input everyone....I don't think the salt is working, it's been three days now.  I know it can take longer, but my betta is starting to look a bit rough.  He's still swimming & eating okay, no erratic behavior, flashing, just pale.  What more can I do?  I took more pics...sorry they aren't very clear, but is there any difference in appearance since Sunday?  Should I get a smaller tank and dose accordingly?  I've been doing lots of research & I'm stumped.  More input is greatly appreciated.  Thanks.  

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how much salt are you dosing? try 3 teaspoons a gallon.

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5 hours ago, Kathryn_S said:

I used 5 Tbsps. for his 10 gallon tank as recommended.  So, that would be 15 Tsps. for 5 gallons.  How long should I leave him in it?  Do you know if aquarium salt will also kill eggs, just in case this lousy louse, on his fin, laid any in his tank.    

lol so sorry. I got tablespoons and teaspoons mixed up again. try 2 tablespoons a gallon, see if that works. Also wait a week. After a week if no signs of improvement try Maracyn. It looks like a bacterial infection not parasites so I don't think API General Cure would work.

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24 minutes ago, Kathryn_S said:

@Colu I called the two pet stores and they have discontinued carrying API General Cure.  A girl I talked to, told me that all fish meds will have to go through a vet now. smh

jeez. Canada. How about you find a vet willing to write a script without seeing the fish? most of our local types would, especially in rural areas. It does help to have a relationship with them in some way.

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@James Black¬†No problem ūüôā¬†I've been doing the¬†salt again.¬† But not sure about...Water change & salt replacement every day?¬† Anyway, I dismantled and disinfected *w\vinegar* both tanks *not taking any chances for any remaining¬†'creatures' lol¬† Threw out the sand & gravel and¬†two plants.¬†¬†I've been binge watching youtube vids, mainly aquarium co-op.¬† Hmmm, bacteria has what looks like a head & eyes?¬† Anyway, I was washing off my Anubias¬†plants and found this under a leaf....any ideas?¬† There was a small pond snail in the tank so I'm thinking it's an egg sac?¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬† ¬† ¬†¬†

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3 minutes ago, Kathryn_S said:

@James Black¬†No problem ūüôā¬†I've been doing the¬†salt again.¬† But not sure about...Water change & salt replacement every day?¬† Anyway, I dismantled and disinfected *w\vinegar* both tanks *not taking any chances for any remaining¬†'creatures' lol¬† Threw out the sand & gravel and¬†two plants.¬†¬†I've been binge watching youtube vids, mainly aquarium co-op.¬† Hmmm, bacteria has what looks like a head & eyes?¬† Anyway, I was washing off my Anubias¬†plants and found this under a leaf....any ideas?¬† There was a small pond snail in the tank so I'm thinking it's an egg sac?¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬† ¬† ¬†¬†

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I have no idea what that is. I dont think its a egg sack from a snail as they lay them out of water. 

 

7 minutes ago, Brandy said:

jeez. Canada. How about you find a vet willing to write a script without seeing the fish? most of our local types would, especially in rural areas. It does help to have a relationship with them in some way.

It is very hard to find a aquatic vet here in canada. And when you find a vet willing to write you a perscription the vet does not know what there talking about. Maybe its just where I live or I haven't been able to find that hidden gem.

@Kathryn_S because you live in Canada Maracyn is off the table. So then after a week of salt treatment I would try, supertech. I have heard AWESOME reviews from it saying stuff like "it cured my ilness in a day", etc. Heres a link:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08MCJW3RC 

They do not classify as  a fish medication because this way they won't have to respond to health canada. Also I have been able to find API melafix in big box petstores, all though I would try the supertech before the melafix.

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39 minutes ago, Kathryn_S said:

@James Black¬†No problem ūüôā¬†I've been doing the¬†salt again.¬† But not sure about...Water change & salt replacement every day?¬† Anyway, I dismantled and disinfected *w\vinegar* both tanks *not taking any chances for any remaining¬†'creatures' lol¬† Threw out the sand & gravel and¬†two plants.¬†¬†I've been binge watching youtube vids, mainly aquarium co-op.¬† Hmmm, bacteria has what looks like a head & eyes?¬† Anyway, I was washing off my Anubias¬†plants and found this under a leaf....any ideas?¬† There was a small pond snail in the tank so I'm thinking it's an egg sac?¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬†¬† ¬† ¬†¬†

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I think your thinking of marine salt. The aquarium salt (that you should be using) does not effect the salinity of the water (how much salt is in the water) aquarium salt is used for medicating where as marine salt is used for saltwater tanks.

You also mentioned that you had your betta for 2+ years. He could just be a old betta. You dont know the agè you got him at, he could 3 or 4 years old. His immune system may not be as good as it was when you first got him.

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Thanks for the info @James BlackI'll check it out.¬† Good to know about the snails.¬† You live in Canada?¬† If the salt doesn't work after a week, then I'm going to try to either use a q-tip or tweezers¬†to get it off my betta very carefully.¬† I've watched ppl do it, on youtube, with goldfish.¬†ūüė¨

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3 minutes ago, Kathryn_S said:

Thanks for the info @James BlackI'll check it out.¬† Good to know about the snails.¬† You live in Canada?¬† If the salt doesn't work after a week, then I'm going to try to either use a q-tip or tweezers¬†to get it off my betta very carefully.¬† I've watched ppl do it, on youtube, with goldfish.¬†ūüė¨

Yes I do. Winnipeg, MB to be exact. I just thought of something, try a salt bath. Heres a video on how to do it:

 

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@James BlackI'm using aquarium salt.  I put in 4 Tbsps. *dissolved first in a cup* then poured in 5 gallons.  He isn't eating much, probably because of the salt?  Well, he was quite small when I first got him, 2 yrs. ago, & was told that he was under 6 months old.  He's just about 4" now *from nose to end of tail fin*.  Bettas can live up to 5 yrs.  He's still quite feisty\strong and flares at me & himself a lot lol.  Thanks for the video, I thought about a salt bath but if the bath is too concentrated, bettas will become paralyzed & it can kill them from shock\stress, so I'm a bit leery of doing it.  Which is kind of strange because they can live out of water for up to 2 hours, so I read.  I do appreciate your input.  Thanks.    

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Anyway, I was washing off my Anubias plants and found this under a leaf....any ideas?  There was a small pond snail in the tank so I'm thinking it's an egg sac?            

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That‚Äôs definitely a pond snail egg sack! I‚Äôve had them before (lots of them ūüėĄ).¬†I think out of the common aquarium snails only mystery snails lay their eggs out of water.

I agree that before dosing more meds, I’d try to pull the thing off. Gently of course because it may not be a bug. It kind of reminds me of the tumor that Foo the Flowerhorn’s betta had. 

It‚Äôs kind of intense what he did, taking the betta out and using tweezers and concentrated H2O2. So if you don‚Äôt want to do that, I‚Äôd recommend just letting it be. I don‚Äôt know that these tumors are dangerous for the fish‚ÄĒthey may just be unsightly.

 

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UPDATE:¬† Sorry for the delay everyone.¬†¬†I didn‚Äôt think I could physically remove whatever that was, but I did it!!¬† That was on Jan. 19th.¬† I¬†used a¬†folded warm cloth¬†& held him down with just his back showing.¬†¬†He still got away from me a couple of times, though.¬† I think finally¬†using¬†the¬†high concentration of aquarium salt *1 tbsp per 1 gallon* in the 3rd week, dehydrated this ‚Äėthing‚Äô & killed it.¬† I say this because, after using a soaked Q-Tip in Hydrogen Peroxide (3%), that‚Äôs all I had on hand, it seemed to just crumble away¬†*a hole was left under it*, taking quite a bit¬†of fin with it.¬† To me, I barely touched it.¬† His fin was a brown\black in color & I tried the best I could to clean it up.¬† My gosh, that was nerve-racking!! lol¬† Anyway, it's already looking¬†better today, but I‚Äôm still keeping a close watch on it.¬† I'm hoping the white coloration on his fin is new growth & not fungus.¬† Thank you all so much for your input, much appreciated.¬† Sending pics to show the amount of fin that came off.¬† What it looks like today *sorry not very clear*.¬† He's still in the quarantine¬†tank & is¬†doing well.¬†¬†He¬†went through so much & a couple of times I thought he was on his way out,¬†but nope he's one tough little bugger!¬† I'm still doing water changes every other¬†day¬†while his other tank recycles.¬† Thanks again everyone¬†ūüôā

 

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