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Good morning!

I started treating my Betta in a 10 Gal tank with Marcaryn 2 yesterday per directions (2 pks). I did a water test last night and Ammonia was 0.0, Nitrates 0.0, but Nitrites were at .50 PPM. So, I gave 5 mil (10x regular directed amount per emergency directions for high nitrites) of Prime Conditioning to reduce the Nitrites. This morning I tested the water again per the parameters above and Nitrites are still .50 PPM and now Nitrates are .20 PPM. I am supposed to add a day 2 packet of Maracyn 2 this morning but I am hesitant and the directions say do not do a water change until day 6 (65% water change). I also added 2 TBS of API aquarium salt to the tank yesterday. What should I do? I am Puzzled! Thank you for you help!! 

Water Parameters:

  • pH 7.4 
  • Nitrates 20 PPM (increase from zero last night)
  • Hardness GH 53.4 ppm (decrease from 89 PPM yesterday)
  • Nitrite .50 PPM (no change from last night)
  • Ammonia 0.0
  • KH/Buffer  53.4 ppm
  • Water Temperature 78.8

 

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On 6/23/2024 at 1:05 PM, Vonz1 said:

Good morning!

I started treating my Betta in a 10 Gal tank with Marcaryn 2 yesterday per directions (2 pks). I did a water test last night and Ammonia was 0.0, Nitrates 0.0, but Nitrites were at .50 PPM. So, I gave 5 mil (10x regular directed amount per emergency directions for high nitrites) of Prime Conditioning to reduce the Nitrites. This morning I tested the water again per the parameters above and Nitrites are still .50 PPM and now Nitrates are .20 PPM. I am supposed to add a day 2 packet of Maracyn 2 this morning but I am hesitant and the directions say do not do a water change until day 6 (65% water change). What should I do? I am Puzzled! Thank you for you help!! 

Water Parameters:

  • pH 7.4 
  • Nitrates 20 PPM
  • Hardness GH 53.4 ppm (decrease from 89 PPM yesterday)
  • Nitrite .50 PPM
  • Ammonia 0.0
  • KH/Buffer  53.4 ppm
  • Water Temperature 78.8

 

What you could do is water change and do a course of maracyn2 in food feeding a small amount twice a day for 7 days 

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On 6/25/2024 at 10:36 PM, Nora Loves Corys said:

That level of nitrite is definitely concerning. An easy way to prevent nitrite poisoning is to use salt. Here is an article describing why salt works to prevent nitrite poisoning and how to dose it.

Is this a newly set up tank? I am curious why your nitrites are so high.

 

On 6/25/2024 at 10:36 PM, Nora Loves Corys said:

That level of nitrite is definitely concerning. An easy way to prevent nitrite poisoning is to use salt. Here is an article describing why salt works to prevent nitrite poisoning and how to dose it.

Is this a newly set up tank? I am curious why your nitrites are so high.

Very informative article. Thank you!

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On 6/26/2024 at 9:18 AM, Vonz1 said:

 

Very informative article. Thank you!

The thank was setup over a month ago. I never had any issues with Ammonia, Nitrite or Nitrates. Only when I dumped 2 packs of Maracyn 2 did the nitrogen cycle crash and I had a heck of a time getting it back to the 0.0 readings. see my Nitrogen log below. Nitrates where off the charts at one point too. 

 

 

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On 6/26/2024 at 9:18 AM, Vonz1 said:

 

Very informative article. Thank you!

The tank was setup over a month ago. I never had any issues with Ammonia, Nitrite or Nitrates. Only when I dumped 2 packs of Maracyn 2 did the nitrogen cycle crash and I had a heck of a time getting it back to the consistent 0.0 readings. see my nitrite log below. Nitrates were off the charts at one point too. 

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On 6/26/2024 at 9:37 AM, Nora Loves Corys said:

Why were you adding the Maracyn 2?

Fin rot. Most likely Gram Negative pathogen causing it. Maracyn 2 kills neg gram pathogen. 

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On 6/26/2024 at 9:55 AM, Nora Loves Corys said:

"Fin rot" is a pretty vague, broad description of a number of possible problems and causes. Here is a nice article by Dr. Jessie Sanders, a fish veterinarian, highlighting the importance of maintaining excellent water quality and hygiene to resolve fin problems. Antibiotics aren't as helpful for resolving problems like this as people often think they are--and as in your case, they often cause more harm than good.

I hope everything gets sorted with your aquarium and your fish!

Thanks for the article. I am still planning to use the recipe Colu provided above with Maracyn 2 when I get the last ingredient from Amazon today or tomorrow. Will check out the article you sent though. Thanks again. Cheers!

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On 6/26/2024 at 10:02 AM, Vonz1 said:

Thanks for the article. I am still planning to use the recipe Colu provided above with Maracyn 2 when I get the last ingredient from Amazon today or tomorrow. Will check out the article you sent though. Thanks again. Cheers!

I read the article. Some useful info! I did use API freshwater aquarium salt, 2 Tbl for 10 gal tank, but it did not budge the nitrite levels in my tank. Only after a 75% water change and vacucleaning the substrate did nitrites drop to zero and stay there. The article mentions using a scale to measure the salt to achieve 1 ppt but never gives the gram weight to use to achieve 1 ppt. I wish the article would have provided that info, but I can look it it up easy enough on my own. I totally agree with her point that keeping the aquarium water quality clean and satisfactory is paramount to the health of the fish. 

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On 6/23/2024 at 8:14 AM, Colu said:

What you could do is water change and do a course of maracyn2 in food feeding a small amount twice a day for 7 days 

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Good morning Colu, I mixed the medication recipe last night with maracyn 2, refrigerated overnight, and then tried feeding Oscar the food mix this morning and he keeps eating each pellet and immediately spitting it out again. He won't eat the medicated food this morning. Should I just keep trying to feed him and eventually he will get hungry enough to ingest it? I am really hoping this medicated food process works, or I may have to move on to plan D, an api aquarium salt treatment hospital tank to cure this fin rot.  Thanks again!

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On 6/27/2024 at 12:44 PM, Vonz1 said:

Good morning Colu, I mixed the medication recipe last night with maracyn 2, refrigerated overnight, and then tried feeding Oscar the food mix this morning and he keeps eating each pellet and immediately spitting it out again. He won't eat the medicated food this morning. Should I just keep trying to feed him and eventually he will get hungry enough to ingest it? I am really hoping this medicated food process works, or I may have to move on to plan D, an api aquarium salt treatment hospital tank to cure this fin rot.  Thanks again!

What I would is keep offering him the food if he gets hungry he should eat it did you add garlic guard to the recipe that will help hide the test of the medication 

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On 6/27/2024 at 9:19 AM, Colu said:

What I would is keep offering him the food if he gets hungry he should eat it did you add garlic guard to the recipe that will help hide the test of the medication 

I did add the Garlic Guard to the recipe, as well. He has always been a very picky eater!!! A betta with a foody pallet! lol ugh. And thank you!

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On 6/27/2024 at 9:31 AM, Vonz1 said:

I did add the Garlic Guard to the recipe, as well. He has always been a very picky eater!!! A betta with a foody pallet! lol ugh. And thank you!

 

On 6/27/2024 at 9:19 AM, Colu said:

What I would is keep offering him the food if he gets hungry he should eat it did you add garlic guard to the recipe that will help hide the test of the medication 

Good news, he finally ate 3 medicated pellets this afternoon. 🙂 thanks again.

Oh, I thought this was interesting. Here is the data of my Maracyn 2 Nitrogen cycle crash after I dropped the initial 2 pkg dose in the tank. Nitrites ramped higher, then nitrates. The first drop in nitrite levels (brown line) was after a 40% water change, but rose again, then dropped further after a second 40% water change, rose again then finally zeroed out when I did a 75% water change and substrate vacuumed. To be fair, the Maracyn 2 directions did say that it may kill beneficial bacteria in the tank. During the spike, I did add 10x the normal amount of Prime Conditioner per emergency directions to lower Nitrite levels, to no avail. I really like your Maracyn 2 medicine recipe instead!!

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On 6/27/2024 at 7:09 PM, Vonz1 said:

 

Good news, he finally ate 3 medicated pellets this afternoon. 🙂 thanks again.

Oh, I thought this was interesting. Here is the data of my Maracyn 2 Nitrogen cycle crash after I dropped the initial 2 pkg dose in the tank. Nitrites ramped higher, then nitrates. The first drop in nitrite levels (brown line) was after a 40% water change, but rose again, then dropped further after a second 40% water change, rose again then finally zeroed out when I did a 75% water change and substrate vacuumed. To be fair, the Maracyn 2 directions did say that it may kill beneficial bacteria in the tank. During the spike, I did add 10x the normal amount of Prime Conditioner per emergency directions to lower Nitrite levels, to no avail. I really like your Maracyn 2 medicine recipe instead!!

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That a good sign keep feeding him a small amount  twice a day for the 7 days will go from there 

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On 6/27/2024 at 6:25 PM, Colu said:

That a good sign keep feeding him a small amount  twice a day for the 7 days will go from there 

Sounds great! Thanks again!! 

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On 6/27/2024 at 6:25 PM, Colu said:

That a good sign keep feeding him a small amount  twice a day for the 7 days will go from there 

Good morning Colu,

Oscar completed his 7 day Maracyn 2/Focus recipe in his food. I am wondering if I should continue feeding him with the medicine in his food because I don not see, the best I can tell, much improvement. I am thinking about pivoting to Kanaplex. Do you have any recommendations? Thank you!! 

Pictures tracking treatment progress:

Day starting of Rin Rot June 13,  First 2 Pics

Day 1 starting treatment June 27,  3rd pic

Day 8 End of treatment July 3,  4th and 5th pic

 

 

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On 7/4/2024 at 1:51 PM, Vonz1 said:

Good morning Colu,

Oscar completed his 7 day Maracyn 2/Focus recipe in his food. I am wondering if I should continue feeding him with the medicine in his food because I don not see, the best I can tell, much improvement. I am thinking about pivoting to Kanaplex. Do you have any recommendations? Thank you!! 

Pictures tracking treatment progress:

Day starting of Rin Rot June 13,  First 2 Pics

Day 1 starting treatment June 27,  3rd pic

Day 8 End of treatment July 3,  4th and 5th pic

 

 

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I would monitor for couple of days to see the fins start to improve before doing any more treatment 

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On 7/4/2024 at 3:48 PM, Colu said:

I would monitor for couple of days to see the fins start to improve before doing any more treatment 

Ok will do. Thanks.

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