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On 1/18/2024 at 7:54 AM, Colten OSteen said:

Do they need hard or soft? First time getting these boys and I’m going to get 6.

They can adapt to a fairly wide range of water parameters. Unless your water is extreme, the only thing you need to be careful with is temperature acclimation. If they come from 62°-F, but your tank us 74°-F, there is a danger to all fish when shifting water parameters too fast.  If you test the temperature of the bag they’re in and find it is 5° or more different from the tank you’re moving them into, consider possible impacts to their health when suddenly shifting temperatures. Shifting up degrees very suddenly is particularly dangerous.

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On 1/18/2024 at 8:06 AM, Fish Folk said:

They can adapt to a fairly wide range of water parameters. Unless your water is extreme, the only thing you need to be careful with is temperature acclimation. If they come from 62°-F, but your tank us 74°-F, there is a danger to all fish when shifting water parameters too fast.  If you test the temperature of the bag they’re in and find it is 5° or more different from the tank you’re moving them into, consider possible impacts to their health when suddenly shifting temperatures. Shifting up degrees very suddenly is particularly dangerous.

I see….can I do anything to not let this happen?

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On 1/18/2024 at 2:07 PM, Colten OSteen said:

I see….can I do anything to not let this happen?

If the tank is empty (animal wise), add cold water to the tank before acclimating, maybe put some insulation around it so it very slowly goes back to room temperature

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On 1/18/2024 at 8:07 AM, Colten OSteen said:

I see….can I do anything to not let this happen?

Point in fact: most aquarists will just tell you to “plop ‘n drop” new fish. This typically works fine. But sometimes die-off is correlated to sudden temperature shifts. My thoughts here are out of an over abundance of caution. Don’t think of this as a rule… unless you’re doing NANF, in which case it probably SHOULD BE a rule!

If temperature differences between bag and tank are less than 5°-F, just float the bag for 20-30 mins before pouring bag over a net suspended in a pail, and adding fish. I prefer adding with tank lights off for comfort.

If temperature differences between bag and aquarium exceed 5°-F, then add several gallons of fresh, clean tap water to a clean aquarium-use pail / bucket with some Prime (or preferred water conditioner). Try to get temperatures in the pail _very close_ to temps in the fish bag. I also add a lightly bubbling airstone. Provided temperature is close enough, move fish to this pail. Then, for 60-120 minutes, start adding tank water to the bucket slowly. Once temperature is very close, net them over.

I mentioned NANF (North American Native Fish) above. They are my favorites. Nearly impossible to find at fish stores. Here’s a few species, most of which I keep. I get boxes of these fish with water temperatures at ca. 45°-F. Very cold! 

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On 1/18/2024 at 8:13 AM, Daan C said:

If the tank is empty (animal wise), add cold water to the tank before acclimating, maybe put some insulation around it so it very slowly goes back to room temperature

Yes it is empty (animal wise) what do u mean by installation??

On 1/18/2024 at 9:07 AM, Fish Folk said:

Point in fact: most aquarists will just tell you to “plop ‘n drop” new fish. This typically works fine. But sometimes die-off is correlated to sudden temperature shifts. My thoughts here are out of an over abundance of caution. Don’t think of this as a rule… unless you’re doing NANF, in which case it probably SHOULD BE a rule!

If temperature differences between bag and tank are less than 5°-F, just float the bag for 20-30 mins before pouring bag over a net suspended in a pail, and adding fish. I prefer adding with tank lights off for comfort.

If temperature differences between bag and aquarium exceed 5°-F, then add several gallons of fresh, clean tap water to a clean aquarium-use pail / bucket with some Prime (or preferred water conditioner). Try to get temperatures in the pail _very close_ to temps in the fish bag. I also add a lightly bubbling airstone. Provided temperature is close enough, move fish to this pail. Then, for 60-120 minutes, start adding tank water to the bucket slowly. Once temperature is very close, net them over.

I mentioned NANF (North American Native Fish) above. They are my favorites. Nearly impossible to find at fish stores. Here’s a few species, most of which I keep. I get boxes of these fish with water temperatures at ca. 45°-F. Very cold! 

IMG_6838.jpeg.10c70b7ff78a829c65fe1c565d858d80.jpeg

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IMG_6853.jpeg.07bb6b1deb4a9291008bae9eace47140.jpeg

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Ok! What do u mean by pail? U mean add them to a bucket and drip acclimate them? If it was between 5 degrees off and ok I will just let them sit for 30 mins and every 5 or so mins I can add water right? Cool fish!!!! I like those ones with wings basically!

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On 1/18/2024 at 3:50 PM, Colten OSteen said:

Yes it is empty (animal wise) what do u mean by installation??

It might be overkill but if you are worried that the tank water is too hot when acclimating and it wil get hot (room temp) too quickly:
- Drop temp by adding cold water, so bag and tank matches
- Acclamatise like usual and add to the tank.
- If you want the tank to go to room temp slower, warp some bubble packaging or foamboards around it, and put a lid on temperately if you don't have one.
 

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On 1/18/2024 at 11:34 AM, Daan C said:

It might be overkill but if you are worried that the tank water is too hot when acclimating and it wil get hot (room temp) too quickly:
- Drop temp by adding cold water, so bag and tank matches
- Acclamatise like usual and add to the tank.
- If you want the tank to go to room temp slower, warp some bubble packaging or foamboards around it, and put a lid on temperately if you don't have one.
 

I will and I do have a lid! Thanks 

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On 1/18/2024 at 9:50 AM, Colten OSteen said:

Yes it is empty (animal wise) what do u mean by installation??

Ok! What do u mean by pail? U mean add them to a bucket and drip acclimate them? If it was between 5 degrees off and ok I will just let them sit for 30 mins and every 5 or so mins I can add water right? Cool fish!!!! I like those ones with wings basically!

Yes. I just use 5-gal buckets from WalMart. With small species like Guppies or Bettas, I sometimes use a clean plastic popcorn bowl from the Kitchen to acclimate. My wife always loves that... 🤣

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On 1/18/2024 at 1:14 PM, Fish Folk said:

Yes. I just use 5-gal buckets from WalMart. With small species like Guppies or Bettas, I sometimes use a clean plastic popcorn bowl from the Kitchen to acclimate. My wife always loves that... 🤣

😂😂thanks for all the. Help! I will ask a pet smart person what the temp is from the tank and compare and go from there!

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