Schuyler Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 I'm still in the planning/collection/experimenting phase but I figured I would share to get some help along the way. Maybe if this goes well it can inspire someone else to try something different too or... if this fails it can be a warning... In another thread I mentioned wanting to make a river bank tank. It was originally inspired by this river bank in a park near me: @nabokovfan87 mentioned that it could be considered a biotope style. That made me think which fish I have that live in creeks/rivers. I had already been considering doing a botanical style tank for my Fundulopanchax Gresensi Takwai Killifish and this seemed like the perfect pairing. The cool thing about killifish is that fur most of them you can get an actual longitude and latitude location for their type location. The plan is to have it viewed from the end like your standing in the river looking towards the bank from an angle similar to the picture above. The bank itself will be made of pond spray foam that will be coated in sand, coco coir, crushed aqua soil, etc to make it look like dirt. Near the top I'll stick in some roots. Near the bottom I'll build in some larger rocks to help hold it down and because that's how a lot of river banks look. My hope is that I can use the space behind the bank as a sort of in tank filter, similar to those all in one tanks you can buy. There will be an under gravel filter in the front that goes under the wall to take in water from the front and pull it behind the wall. Then some kind of filtering back there, maybe a sponge filter or just floss. Then there will be an air uplift tube to take the water back out, similar to what you see in a matten filter. The two ideas I had were too make this come out the top and trickle down like a smaller water flow feeding in or to just come out the side in the back like water from up stream. In the other thread @Littlefish mentioned doing soil similar to how they do it in wabi kusa setups. I'm going to try using this and forming it on/around egg crate for structure to make the top where plants will grow out. For plants, the only African aquarium plants I know now are bolbitus and anubias. Maybe the are some crypts too. I'll need to look into that more. Here are my insane scribblings to try and help visualize how it would work: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 Some inspiration/resources I've found so far for ideas about what it looks like there. YouTube playlists: Seriously fish page with the type location: https://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/fundulopanchax-gresensi/ Biotope information about similar areas with pictures: https://cefishessentials.com/blog/biotopes-of-africa-aphyosemion-ahli-ahls-killifish/ https://cefishessentials.com/blog/biotopes-of-africa-pantodon-buchholzi/ https://cefishessentials.com/blog/benitochromis-nigrodorsalis-biotope/ An environmental charity with lots of pictures of the jungle in Cameroon: https://www.sugiproject.com/projects/bulu Tanks with a similar style: https://biotopeaquariumproject.com/bin/eubenangee-swamp-national-park-north-qld-australia/ http://biotope-aquarium.info/aquariums/meanders-of-a-forest-stream-a-tributary-of-the-chodelka-river-near-belzyce-poland-225-l/ https://showcase.aquatic-gardeners.org/2019/show463.html Now to start collecting stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 To add to the above list of great resources: Pecktec has a ton of videos on the type of filtration method you're looking at. He uses UGF quite a lot for various reasons (plenums, etc.) Tai Streitman is someone who puts out a lot of high quality content on biotopes and their setups. His book is due out any moment now (George Farmer mentioned early 2024 most recently) and he made a series of tanks just for that project. He breaks down his methods, philosophy for setups on his youtube channel linked below. https://www.youtube.com/@biotopia5319 A final one here from a very highly regarded aquascaper doing a talk for green aqua. It's really enlightening to see how the scape was built. Maybe some tips in there you can use in your own setup. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted September 9 Author Share Posted September 9 Ok after looking into options it seems like they all fall into one of these general categories: 1) Good Stuf spray foam with sand. This is cheap, easy, and stuff can easily be embedded in it. But it seems pretty flimsy and not as rigid. 2) Styrofoam or insulation foam cut to shape and then coated in silicone, resin, or concrete. This would hold form well but may be floaty and the concrete needs a long time before it stops leeching stuff that raises the pH 3) Fiber glass. This seems like a good option but getting it to have the right shape and fit when it's a 3d shape is doing to be a bit tricky. However this is done, there will likely need to be support braces for holding it in place and holding up the plants. I'm leaning towards using egg crate vertically to make scaffolding. Potentially this could also be used to make chambers for bio media. Here is a playlist of videos I found: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 I traded some Daphnia and Nothobranchius Eggersi eggs to a member of the local killifish club for some more juvenile Fundulopanchax Gresensi. He said they were breeding almost like guppies. Normally this would be putting the cart before the horse but I already have a tank for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 I watched a couple serpa design videos today and had an idea. I think I may try blocking out the rough shape of the river bank with egg crate connected together with zip ties. Then build it the rest of the structure and detail using spray foam coated in sand, roots, and rocks. This should give it the structure while allowing the flexibility to stick rocks and roots into the bank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted September 12 Author Share Posted September 12 Another resource with pictures from the area in trying to recreate. Specifically the section about the swamp forest. There is an underwater picture with a "root wad" from some small riparian plants. https://www.aquaecoafrica.com/post/aquatic-biodiversity-of-the-ndonga-river-drainage-cameroon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 More about the area along with pictures from Google Earth and links shared above https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross–Sanaga–Bioko_coastal_forests The collection location: The original riverbank that gave me the idea: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted September 15 Author Share Posted September 15 Ok just two more pictures from the AKA website under the collection sites And here is a YouTube video with one of the professional biotopes from the first post: Starts at 7:30 Based on pictures the recurring themes seem to be: lots of leaves, brown water, light sandy substrate, not many rocks, lots of sticks and roots, and very few plants in the water itself. I like the stuff that looks like giant anubias growing out of the water. I doubt I'll be able to find any that big and definitely doubt I'd be willing to pay to fill the edge of the tank with things that big. Ideas for plants anubias, bolbitus, water lettuce, and Ammannia gracilis I may also visit a local nursery at lunch and see if they have any epiphytic ferns or plants that look like things on the pictures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Another recurring theme also seems to be overhanging plants…maybe try using some kind of grass? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted Sunday at 07:09 AM Author Share Posted Sunday at 07:09 AM On 9/16/2023 at 2:38 AM, TheSwissAquarist said: Another recurring theme also seems to be overhanging plants…maybe try using some kind of grass? I'm considering doing some grass. I may even try pulling up a clump of grass with the roots and see if it survives with it's roots partially in water Starting to collect some materials. I've also had a slight change of plan for the design. An under gravel filter probably won't do too well with a sand substrate so I'm gonna to build a sponge intake into the riverbank in a way that it won't be visible from the front. Here are more insane scribblings That picture in the top left is the view without the top layer. The idea is that the will be a gap that water can flow from that front outcropping back to the uplift. In the back corner I want to put a potted plant that can be removed to allow access to the open area inside. That way filter media can be cleaned and a heater can be hidden in there. I'm thinking that plant will be a leather fern. Other than that it will be mostly anubias and leaf litter. Roots will be embedded into the foam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwissAquarist Posted Sunday at 06:08 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:08 PM Another idea for the bank would be some Amazon swords. Maybe you should enter it into a competition if it ends up looking great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H20CultureLabs Posted Sunday at 08:13 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:13 PM I love your dedication to doing research on this project. Nice photos and great inspiration! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted Monday at 03:34 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 03:34 PM On 9/17/2023 at 11:08 AM, TheSwissAquarist said: Another idea for the bank would be some Amazon swords. Maybe you should enter it into a competition if it ends up looking great! The problem with Amazon sword is that it's from the Amazon rather than Africa That would be cool to put it in s competition but we'll see what it ends up looking like lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted Tuesday at 04:11 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 04:11 AM Here is the thread were I made the jet uplift I plan to use in this: Looking at plants it looks like Anubias gilletii, Anubias heterophylla, and Anubias barteri are so native to the area. As far as ferns, there is a genis Adiantum that does well in riparian setups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted Wednesday at 03:49 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 03:49 PM Went to my LFS yesterday and they do have Anubias heterophylla. I may get some of those. (They also had thread fin rainbows that looked really cool but that's unrelated...) Also what to a local nursery to look for ferns and grass options. Here are some potential options: Maidenhair Fern (Adiantum Venustum) - I read online that these work well in riparium setups but it looks out of place to me Licorice Fern (polypodium glycymrhiza) - this is a epiphytic fern native to North America. You can see them growing on maple trees all over the place here. They look close to some of the epiphytic ferns in the pictures but I have no idea how they would do in this setting... Dwarf Sweetflag (Acorns 'Pusillus Auren') - Native to Japan but only gets up to 4" and is commonly used in riparium setups. Then there are other grass options I found online... Dwarf Sag (Sagittaria Subulata) - I already have this in another tank but I'm not sure it would really grow dense enough to get the look right Brazilian micro sword (Lilaeopsis brasiliensis) - dense, very grass like, more blade shaped than stuff like dwarf hairgrass Lilaeopsis mauritiana - Another micro sword but this one is actually native to Africa (just the complete opposite side of Africa...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted 13 hours ago Author Share Posted 13 hours ago Interesting tidbit: Here is a site for a guy who is a botanist and has tons of pictures with identification for a lot of the plants. https://www.verticalgardenpatrickblanc.com/node/14656?page=1 Unfortunately it's not sorted by location but if you Google "Cameroon Site:www.verticalgardenpatrickblanc.com" you can get just the images that apply (but of Google-fu for you) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuyler Posted 13 hours ago Author Share Posted 13 hours ago I also came across this guy again but now I've made a playlist of his Cameroon specific videos. He has footage from Cameroon rivers but with a focus on the fish rather than plants. That first video has little shrimp in it. I'm really curious about what they are. The 4th video has she crazy Anubias (heterophylla?) growing at 1:21. It's cool seeing just how diverse anubias is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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