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I added 3 hillstream loaches to my 20 gallon Sunday. Today I find one dead and another one with a white patch.

Tank has been running for a year, heavily planted, temp 76, 1 large sponge filter and one hang back filter on high flow, in which I am growing a large fitonia and a large peace lily in aquaponic. Ammonia 0, nitrites 0, nitrates 0-1, phosphate 0, ph7, gh6, kh2.

It is stocked with cherry barbs, amano shrimp and mystery snails.

I included a pic of the white patch. The other fish don't show any behavior change or white patches.

I don't have a quarantine tank running or room for it. My option is to treat the whole tank.

It could be a fungus, columnaris or a wound... What do you guys think?

On hand I have maracyn, maracyn 2, para cleanse, exelp, hikari ickX and kanaplex. Which one of these is safe for hillstream loaches and which one should I use?

Please help. 

 

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I would say an injury I would just monitor for a couple of days it should heal on its own  you could add some Indian almond leaves as they have antibacterial and antifungal properties did the other one you found dead have any injury's or signs of disease @Clo

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I'd be less inclined to say this is injury since you had another one die. Did that one have the same white patches? Any chance they have severe ammonia burn? How did you get them from the LFS or shipped to you? 

IF it is injury (meaning happened right after you added them to the tank) I'd quickly find the potential culprit - My method is to make sure I have a finger's width of space all around my tank between decor/wood/filters or it's otherwise RIGHT UP against the glass so they cannot fit through. 

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I got them from my LFS, they do medicated quarantine there. I never had problem with them so I don't quarantine the fish again.

The Dead one did had a wound, but when I found it my barbs where eating it. On the morning I did spot all 3 loaches and they were fine. I took a pic of the dead one. It had red marks inside it's mouth and belly, see the pic. 

I just added maracyn to the tank. I have a plant/black worm culture bin of about 6 gallon I could transfer the loaches in. It has 2 air stone but no heater and no lid. I can fix the lid thing by taping window screen. Temp in the room is about 70.IMG-20230124-WA0003.jpg.09051a2453331877f0187d3f2e2478d2.jpg

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Oh really I thought if you had 1 or 3 it should be fine. It's my first time keeping this fish, so I tried my best. 

My tank has a cliff of dragon stone with caves that my shrimps and my fry barbs love. The back stone is indeed close to the glass and I can't pass my thinger there. I'll fill it up with filter floss after work.

The third loach seem ok for now.

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Thanks for your help everyone. Hopefully the fatalities will stop here.

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It looked like an injury in the first pictures the fact it progressed so  quickly it could be columnaris that's a gram negative bacterial that spreads more quickly at higher temperatures and can kill your fish in a couple of hour to a week depending on the strain if you notice any other fish developing similar symptoms I would start treating straight away with kanaplex and jungal fungus clear fizz tabs containing nitrofurazone following this treatment plan @Clo

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Thanks, I'll get some jungle tabs right now online to have it on hand.

But this nitrofurazone doesn't seem safe for inverts and scaless fish. 

Will a combination of kanaplex and maracyn and salt work?

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Columnaris is a gram negative bacterial maracyn predominantly treat gram positive and some gram negative bacteria the combination of jungal fungus clear and Kanaplex is most effective treatment for columnaris I have found I would finish the course of maracyn and monitor for any similar symptoms jungal fungus clear fizz tabs is  safe to use with invertebrates the amount of nitrofurazone is under dosed so it won't harm your shrimp or snails kanaplex can cause shrimp and snails to slow down I what  you could is a course of maracyn2 in food feeding a small amount twice a day for 7 days maracyn2 is safe to use with invertebrates and jungal fungus clear fizz tabs containing nitrofurazone to treat the tank that's if you need to follow up with more treatment @Clo

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Thanks a lot @Colu. I don't understand why they put on the maracyn packet that it treats columnaris 🤷

I should receive the fungus tab today. So I will have it on hand.

As of this morning I did a 30% water, added aquarium salt 1tbsp, and 2 packs of maracyn, before I left for work. Tonight I will add another tbsp of salt and start feeding them maracyn 2.

Thanks for the recipe.

Hopefully I'll get that loach to eat it. I am already making homemade food for my algae eater with spirulina powder, spinach, yeast and garlic. So I'll incorporate antibiotics to that.

As for the barbs they eat anything I throw at them so it should not be too difficult. I don't have seachem guard or focus. 

 

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Maracyn does suppose to treat columnaris 

On 1/25/2023 at 8:13 PM, Clo said:

Thanks a lot @Colu. I don't understand why they put on the maracyn packet that it treats columnaris 🤷

Maracyn say it  treats columnaris from people I no who have used it hasn't been very effective they have suffered higher mortality rates among their fish they have seen better success when using maracyn with a high levels of aquarium salt but loaches and catfish don't tolerate high levels of salt well  couldn't say for sure if it was the salt or the combination of the two that increase survival rates 

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