Tam Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Hello all, I posted this on a different betta-specific forum but didn't get any help so I'm cross-posting here. I'm sorry this is long. I made a post back several months ago now about my betta Lucien. He was having bloating problems/constipation and some swim bladder issues. I could never get it under control no matter what I did, he was a very picky eater and only wanted to eat flakes, and the only thing I could do to keep his bowels moving along was to wrap up freeze dried daphnia in his flakes and trick him into eating them off of a toothpick. Even with this he would always bloat right after feeding him, and because of the bloating and his gradually worsening swim bladder issues I wasn't able to feed him very large amounts. While I don't think he was really thin I don't think he was able to get all the nutrients he needed with just the daphnia and the flakes. All this to say, he'd been slowing down for a few months and then a few days ago things went downhill very quickly. He stopped moving much at all and was acting weird, not responding to me anymore like he had done all this time, and he was abruptly not interested in dinner, despite eagerly eating his breakfast. Then I was away from him for maybe two hours, came back to check on him and one of his eyes had gone cloudy, and then swelled up hugely. His other eye always looked fine. I thought at first that maybe his difficulty swimming made him run into something and injured his eye, but I'm not sure anymore. In less than 24 hours he went from looking pretty normal to being completely washed out of color, red gills, hardly able to swim, the one popeye, clearly not able to breathe, he would struggle so hard to get to the surface of the water for air way more often than normal. It was really distressing to watch and not knowing what it was or being able to stop his suffering. Then I noticed some stuff that looked like mold almost, coming off his gills, his one popeye, and this weird white spot on his side. I'd noticed this spot a couple of weeks before but thought that it was his scales changing colors because they were constantly changing so much. I didn't notice anything like that growing off of it until the day he died. I do have a picture of it, though it's blurry, but I'd rather not have to look at it again if I can help it.... I've put this post off for a few days because I'm so heartsick over losing him. I loved him a lot, he was my first betta and he was really special, I kind of can't overstate how dear he was to me. I didn't even have him for a year and half yet and I feel like I failed him. I really want to figure out how he died so I can hopefully have what I need on hand in the future to help any other fish, and know what to do. I'm assuming his immune system was worn down and something got hold of him and took him out but it was very quick, less than 48 hours altogether. I've tried to do some research but can't really find anything that it seems to obviously be, the only thing I thought sounded kinda similar was maybe columnaris? Like I said this is my first betta and I'm inexperienced, and could really use help from some people who've been in the hobby longer and know more than me.Some info on his tank conditions: I kept him in a planted 10 gallon tank, weekly water changes of around 40% and gravel vacuuming. Water parameters were always 0 nitrite and ammonia, very low nitrates. The PH is around 8 and the water is a little hard but nothing crazy, I don't have exact numbers. Temp is always 78 and it runs with a sponge filter. There are two nerite snails also in the tank and they're both doing fine.I also have another betta, Jupiter, in a 6 gallon tank and I'm certain there's been crossover between their tanks even though I've tried to keep them as separate as possible. In the beginning of September I had to evacuate my house due to a wildfire and evacuated with my fish and when I set them up with their heaters in a safe location I accidentally put Lucien's heater in Jupiter's tank and vice versa, and just in general I'm sure there's been some crossover with tools and stuff, though I use a different siphon for both tanks. I've been watching Jupiter like a hawk and he seems completely fine, but then he doesn't have the bloating/constipation issues and will eat anything so he has a more varied diet and I'm sure his immune system is strong. In fact he's been happily making a bubble nest the past couple days for the first time.And finally another question, and if no one can answer anything else I really want help with this - I really want to get another betta, but I don't know if I can put it in Lucien's tank. I don't want to risk my next fish getting whatever Lucien did. But I don't want to trash the whole setup and start over cycling a new tank, like I said I have plants in the tank and it's been cycled now for over a year, I finally have the plants growing pretty well in the last month or two and the algae pretty under control after struggling with it for a loooong time. I've put a lot of love and hard work into this tank. The tank itself does have a leak very high up and I've been dealing with it by just not filling it to the top, but I have another 10 gallon of the same kind that I want to swap it out with while the tank doesn't have a fish in it, and I also want to replace the substrate for something that isn't inert and is good for growing plants. Aside from that I want to keep using my hardscape and plants, and the filter, so I can keep it cycled/not have to start completely over from scratch. So, my question is if it's safe to put another fish in the tank? I did a near complete water change after Lucien died, and I'll keep changing the water on schedule as usual. Is there anything I could treat the tank with to kill off anything that's growing in there that could harm another fish? Or do I just need to wait for anything in there to die off without a host to live off of? I would much appreciate any help anyone can give me, and I'm sorry this got so long, I just want to be thorough. I've been agonizing over this for days. Like I said before if I need to upload the pictures of Lucien I can, I would just like to avoid it if possible because it hurts so much to look at them. Thanks so much for any help anyone can give!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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