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Just over a year ago, while noodling around online, I came across a stunning US Native fish: Notropis rubricroceus (Saffron Shiner)

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I have a source for acquiring a breeding group. So, today I am beginning to set up their tank.

I’m discarding a 20 gal long that has been cracked and repaired, and setting up a 29 gal on its footprint.

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I am cordoning off part of the tank space with a matten sponge for filters, powerhead, whatnot.

I’ll be attaching a DIY spraybar along the back with PVC…

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In the end, I plan for the look to be similar to this 29 gal. where I breed Rainbow Shiners…

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My goal is to get this set up, successfully breed them, and document it all here on the Forum.

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On 5/30/2022 at 1:03 PM, Zenzo said:

@Fish Folk Wow. Those look amazing! What part of the US are they native to? What water parameters do they prefer?

They’re from the Tennessee / Virginia / North Carolina mountain river region of the Appalachian mountains.

In non-spawning colors, they’re less impressive…

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But spawning shoals are a pure wonder of the freshwater world…

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They’re fine kept in a tank ranging 29 gal. or larger. Temperate — no heater. They do appreciate flow (hence my plan is to use ACO powerhead + spraybar). They can go from 50°-F up into 70°-F.

Water hardness probably is variable. I have fairly soft water that I buffer with some crushed coral.

I think @WhitecloudDynasty said he’s got some wild out near him in NC area. I’m getting mine through a NANF dealer who I trade NANF fish I spawn with — Rainbow Shiners, Redbelly Dace, etc.

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(1) Remove sponge filters & Puddingstone hardscape rocks, rest up in tank water 

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(2) Take out wood, and judiciously select water wisteria and bronze crypt to reuse (reserve in water)…

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(3) Remove heater and thermometer. Heater will be used later. Thermometer will go back in…

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(4) Siphon out water & substrate, remove substrate with soft-edged plastic container, reserve substrate in pail

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(5) Reminder why tank is being discarded (repaired cracks), tank moved aside for later discard, examination of stand with corners set for new tank…

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(6) Prepare black backing on new 29 gal…

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(7) Set up new tank on stand…

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Next to re-add used substrate, cap with new substrate, add tank water from another aquarium, and start up powerhead + spraybar + sponges.

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On 5/30/2022 at 1:54 PM, Fish Folk said:

I think @WhitecloudDynasty said he’s got some wild out near him in NC area. I’m getting mine through a NANF dealer who I trade NANF fish I spawn with — Rainbow Shiners, Redbelly Dace, etc.

Sweet I bet they should be easier to spawn than wild stock

On 5/30/2022 at 3:41 PM, Torrey said:

Wait, @WhitecloudDynasty is in NC?

When I finally make it back East, we're going to need to plan a pig-picking so I can meet up with everyone!

Yes! I'm here in NC right in the middle lol 

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On 5/30/2022 at 8:57 PM, Fish Folk said:

Just put two small sponge filters in for added air, and planted this up. Still cloudy. I expect might take 72 hrs. to clear up…
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My Walstad redo looked like that for 4 days.... It's looking much better now! Can't wait to see yours!

 

On 5/30/2022 at 6:51 PM, WhitecloudDynasty said:

Sweet I bet they should be easier to spawn than wild stock

Yes! I'm here in NC right in the middle lol 

Most of my family is in the Triangle area, I will be sure to DM you when I head out.

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I really like the design of the setup. Think that a 40 breeder would be a good size for this sort of setup. Next wishroom is being planned in my head and I think it will be 40 b, 20 L and 20 Hs with maybe a few 29s. I'll let you know when I am ready for some natives. Thanks for continuing to wet my appetite for natives!

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Saffrons arriving tomorrow… 😍

The only YouTube footage I’ve found of them in a home aquarium comes from something posted on a NANFA board back in 2011…

Just going back down memory lane, here’s the thread back when I “discovered them” and posted a year and a half ago…

They’ll probably be drab, stressed, young, etc. Going to give them time and document everything here. Stay tuned!

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On 6/9/2022 at 7:10 PM, Fish Folk said:

Saffrons arriving tomorrow… 😍

The only YouTube footage I’ve found of them in a home aquarium comes from something posted on a NANFA board back in 2011…

Just going back down memory lane, here’s the thread back when I “discovered them” and posted a year and a half ago…

They’ll probably be drab, stressed, young, etc. Going to give them time and document everything here. Stay tuned!

ORD 😍😍😍

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On 6/10/2022 at 10:01 AM, Chick-In-Of-TheSea said:

Ooh, I like that one with the red belly in the middle!

All are the same species. They turn on bright red / yellow stripes when spawning.

On 6/10/2022 at 10:08 AM, Chick-In-Of-TheSea said:

I may have overlooked it, but what type of substrate are you using?  Did you collect it from nature?

I first reused black diamond blasting sand that had been in the 20 gal long that I threw out. On top of that, I used  Carib-Sea Eco Planted “Red” substrate…

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On 6/10/2022 at 10:58 AM, Chick-In-Of-TheSea said:

That's awesome.  When using eco substrate, do you have to wait before adding fish and inverts?

I used the pre-cycled BDBS substrate, two small pre-cycled, sponge filters, established hardscape, and cycled water from Discus tank. Combined with live plants and active bio from the Carib-Sea substrate… the tank was instantly cycled. I did a water test, and all looks good.

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