Goldfish Internal Bacteria

[NickG83]

Hey all, I’ve been treating my goldfish for a few months now for what I thought was an internal bacteria. He has slightly swollen eyes that are quite cloudy and he had a sore on his side (possible ulcer?) and possible very slight pine coning, although im not to sure, I may just be looking to closely into it, if he is pine coming though, it is very slight. Anyway, I’ve tried various different meds (both in the water column and in food) and also full concentration of salt (1 tablespoon per gallon). The last med I used (interpet anti internal bacteria) does seem to have worked a little bit, the eyes are still slightly bulging but really not much and are still a little cloudy. The sore is completely gone, pine coning I think gone (although still not sure if it was ever there). I think that I may have gotten rid of the internal bacteria. My question is, if I have got rid of the bacteria, should his eyes now be completely back to normal, or will that come with time? Basically I’m wondering if I should be running the med again (he’s already had 2 courses though) and at this point he’s had so many meds though him I feel like he needs a break. But at the same time i don’t want to go back to square one, if the bacteria isn’t quite gone. What are your thoughts? I’m currently thinking, no more meds for a while, keep the water a clean as possible and monitors. And hope he’s sorted, and his eyes return to normal given time (or could they just be permanently scared?!) He can definitely see though, as I’ve noticed he now sees his food straight away, whereas before it took a while for him to find. Anyway, sorry that was so long and thanks in advance for any info. Nick 

[Colu]

Can you take a picture it will help with diagnosis and what meds have you treated him with besides interpet internal antibacterial treatment and aquarium salt

[NickG83]

[NickG83]

@ColuSorry don’t know why the pics are upside down… 

So the meds I’ve used… i started with maracyn, I’ve done ich x, and I’ve done these 2 separately and together. I think I also did general cure. These were all put into the water column (instructions followed). Then I did maracyn 2 mixed in with rapashy, I did it his for a while slowly increasing amount of maracyn 2 in the food. This got rid of the sore/ulcer. It was after this that I did the interpet anti bacteria (which I put in the water column). Thanks for your help. 🙏 

@Colu also I don’t know if you can see that little white dot on his head, that’s quite new.

[GardenStateGoldfish]

On 1/8/2022 at 3:24 PM, NickG83 said:

My question is, if I have got rid of the bacteria, should his eyes now be completely back to normal, or will that come with time?

It may never go back to normal or it may overtime, it’s not unusual for the eye bulge to persist after it’s treated depending on how severe it was I think, it’s not something I personally have dealt a lot with but I know it’s from when fluid builds up behind the eye from an internal infection. His eyes do currently look cloudy, do you have anything sharp in the tank he may be scraping against while foraging? Like those rocks? Are they smooth or sharp/abrasive? 
 

your fish looks like he has a slight wen, maybe the white dot is wen growth? Is he a mix between a fancy type and a common? 
 

a good alternative to medication I like to use is salt and melafix, I know a lot of people do not like melafix but it works great for me 🤷🏻 In a bucket, do 3tsp of salt per gallon of water and give him a 2 hour salt bath but keep an eye on him just to make sure he doesn’t get to stressed out however that shouldn’t be very stressful. Do that daily and see if his outer blemishes/eyes heal and keep an eye on if his eyes are scraping on anything. 

[Colu]

I would holed off the meds for now increase water changes add a small amount of salt 1 table spoon for 5 gallons that will help with Gill function and add essential electrolytes you could also do a salt bath at a higher concentration as @GardenStateGoldfishhas suggested it can take long time for the eyes to heal it maybe permanent if after a week your still seeing any pinecone or redness I would do a course Kanaplex in food and metroplex to treat the water column as metroplex treats aeromonas bacterial that can cause Dropsy 

[NickG83]

@GardenStateGoldfish @Colu thanks for all the info, will hold off meds for a little while and I’ll order in some of the meds you’ve mentioned. I’m not exactly sure what sort of goldfish he is, he’s a “rescue” that lived in a very small tank (probably no more than 5 gallons) for 2 years, but he’s been with me for around 2 year now and was out in the pond but brought him in at the end of the summer when I noticed his cloudy eyes, hoping to get him all fixed up so I can get him back out into the pond in the spring/summer. Thanks again for all the info. 

[NickG83]

@Colu hi, I now have all the meds you mentioned for my goldfish, including the garlic guard. A couple of things I was wondering though, would I use the garlic guard instead of the water to mix it all together? Also, how much of this medicated food should I be feeding each day? Thanks in advance, Nick. 

[NickG83]

@Colu also if I’m using pellets as the food (I’m using bug bites) do I crush them up before mixing everything together? Thanks 

[Colu]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:32 PM, NickG83 said:

@Colu hi, I now have all the meds you mentioned for my goldfish, including the garlic guard. A couple of things I was wondering though, would I use the garlic guard instead of the water to mix it all together? Also, how much of this medicated food should I be feeding each day? Thanks in advance, Nick. 

Add couple of drops of water and one cap of the garlic guard you don't need to crush the bug bites mix them with the medication and garlic guard

[NickG83]

@Coluok, thank you 🙏