xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) After over 3 weeks in QT with no illnesses/treatment I released 3 male endlers into my Fluval Flex on the 1st of this month. All doing well until I noticed this little one's mouth is red- active but not as active as they were before. What's the deal? My first thought is it might be bacterial? The other two Endlers acting the same as the day I put them in here. This one in the last few days was less of a participant in the group activites and hung out at the top of the water more often than I liked but was still moving about with the other fish. This is the first day I noticed the redness. Tank was tested just today: Temp 78.9, pH 7.6, Nitrate/rite 0 Alkalinity 5/89.5 GH 179 Edited November 11, 2021 by xXInkedPhoenixX 1 more thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppysnail Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Poor little one. I have never seen one of my guppies get a red mouth so I can’t help. Just wanted to send well wishes for your little guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 The redness is more than likely a bacterial infection you could add some aquarium salt 1 table spoon for 2 gallons or treat with maracyn or kanaplex and see how it goes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 @Colu well, I thought it might be. My Maracyn was expired (forgot to set a reminder on it) but I had Furan2 (I also have Kanaplex). I was forced to make a decision before I left for work. I started a round of Furan2. Any reason to believe that won't be just as effective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Furan2 very effective against external bacterial infection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 @Colu says it treats gram pos and neg bacterial infections- and still not entirely sure what the poor thing has- so I thought it was a good place to start. An internet search suggests the red could be another sign of columnaris which the box says Furan2 treats. Think I should switch to Kanaplex tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colu Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 If you suspect Columnaris the most effective treatment is kanaplex and furan2 together I would finished the course of furan2 if you notice him getting or any other signs of Columnaris such as white lips or patches then I would treat with kanaplex and furan2 following this treatment schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) Thanks @Colu. I also see a Viral Haemorrhagic Septicaemia disease that guppies get in their blood. A guppy website suggests Maracyn2 or Furan2. So I'm kind of glad I started with Furan2 if either are the case. I will continue to treat and observe. (to be clear I understand Endlers and Guppies are not the same thing but so similar that I thought Guppy keepers could advise best) Edited November 12, 2021 by xXInkedPhoenixX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) So far my Endler isn't doing any better. After a couple days beside the mouth around the gills turned red. Today was the last of a 4 day treatment of Furan2. I did a tank cleaning/water change and started a round of Kanaplex. He's not too active, mostly resting on stuff in the tank. Sadly I wouldn't be too surprised if he doesn't make it overnight, though his mouth seems a bit less red than it was. I'm 🤞 Meanwhile his 2 male friends in the Flex are still doing well and nobody there is showing any signs of illness. Edited November 16, 2021 by xXInkedPhoenixX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXInkedPhoenixX Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 As predicted. Found deceased this morning. 😞 SIP lil one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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