Alec Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I built the muck bucket pond that Dean built and I'm having trouble getting the flow. Any ideas why I may not be getting the flow? @Dean’s Fishroom@Cory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 Follow up...I am using a nano USB air pump? Is this maybe why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Cory Posted September 14, 2021 Administrators Share Posted September 14, 2021 What air stone, what diameter of pipe? How full is the tub itself? All of those along with the pump will make a difference in flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 @Cory I am using the 3/4in pipe like Dean used, as well as the ziss airstone. And the tub is full, about 2in from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Cory Posted September 14, 2021 Administrators Share Posted September 14, 2021 Have a picture of your setup? I assume a larger pump would help as well, but don't want to send you on a goose chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 Here's what I got. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Just a thought—have you tested the pump on just a regular air stone in water? Every once in a while you may get a USB pump that’s a dud. It happened to me once long ago (Candi sent a replacement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentFishFanUK Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Probably a long shot but how far down the pipe is the air stone hanging? The further down the pipe the more flow it generates (I think) so it needs to be near the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 @Hobbit I tried it on a sponge filter in another tank and it works fine. I'm starting to think it may not be powerful enough to get the lift I need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 @KentFishFanUKit is down at the elbow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMYVET Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I would never question anything Dean does. You just lower your head and say Yes Master! Next to him IM just a Padiwan. I have seen this in the video with Dean but I am not sure I understand the principal behind it. I know what it does. Creates flow from top to bottom.....but Wouldnt a large sponge filter directly in the middle of the bucket accomplish the same thing? I figure it would create a circular flow from bottom to top on all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 7:49 AM, ARMYVET said: Wouldnt a large sponge filter directly in the middle of the bucket accomplish the same thing? I figure it would create a circular flow from bottom to top on all sides. Yes and no. They both would provide biological and mechanical filtration, but this design does two additional things: Directional flow Higher flow rate (due to the length of the uplift tube) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMYVET Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 10:45 AM, Tihshho said: Yes and no. They both would provide biological and mechanical filtration, but this design does two additional things: Directional flow Higher flow rate (due to the length of the uplift tube) Thats very understandable.....although now that the coop has the powerhead that attaches to the sponge filters It would be interesting to see how that would work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Powerheads are a ton of flow without a lot of work, but then you're going to need an outlet. In such a small container, the flow from that powerhead would be a whirlpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griznatch Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) I have a regular sponge filter in bottom of mine, it creates a lot of flow. I'm using an old air pump that's at least 2 decades old and has really good output (surprisingly). Haven't tried the USB pump in there yet. Edited September 14, 2021 by Griznatch punctuation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_G Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 4:49 AM, ARMYVET said: Wouldnt a large sponge filter directly in the middle of the bucket accomplish the same thing? I figure it would create a circular flow from bottom to top on all sides. Haha I was thinking the same. A sponge would be much easier, but this looks so cool! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 I think I'm just gonna have to use a bigger air pump. I just want to make sure there is enough flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 11:10 AM, Alec said: I think I'm just gonna have to use a bigger air pump. I just want to make sure there is enough flow. Also, try tuning the Ziss airstone since you can control the bubble size by changing the compression on the stone. This might change things for you too with the pump you've got. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 11:18 AM, Tihshho said: Also, try tuning the Ziss airstone since you can control the bubble size by changing the compression on the stone. This might change things for you too with the pump you've got. Would making the bubbles finer or larger increases the lift? Or do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I imagine part of the point of the video was to teach us how to bend PVC, cut holes in the sides of buckets, and make an uplift tube. Lots of useful skills that can be applied elsewhere! Actually it’s one of my favorite videos because of all the skills it taught. 😃 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 IME you need to find the balance of air flow (rate from the pump) and output size (bubble size.) I'm personally new to the Ziss stone world as I'd always tune through a valve feeding the stone and never had to deal with a tunable stone. In my mind medium (not fine and not air lock large) bubbles would provide the most lift, but you're going to have to experiment. If you have a 'standard' airstone you could also try that to see if the stone setting is your issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMYVET Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 If all esle fails you can "Tim the Tool Man Taylor" it. Get the powerhead attach the outlet to the inlet side of the bulkhead at the bottom and watch it become a fountain......ARR ARRR ARRRR ARRRRRR😆 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tihshho Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 9/14/2021 at 12:13 PM, ARMYVET said: If all esle fails you can "Tim the Tool Man Taylor" it. Get the powerhead attach the outlet to the inlet side of the bulkhead at the bottom and watch it become a fountain......ARR ARRR ARRRR ARRRRRR😆 This would be great on a 40-100 gallon tote! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Struggle Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 My HMF sponge filters are driven in a similar fashion as this. You may want to have your air stone just above the elbow or a higher flow air pump. If you Google jetlifter or a variation of that you may get some different ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon p Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) I made 2 last month. I found that the bend at the top of the bucket has to be almost a U with smaller air pumps. I also found that ubs worked for me to an extent. It’s some hot here now I like to have extra flow. Last water level in the bucket makes a huge difference. There is a point were it doesn’t work to working great. I made two the exact same. And the spot is different. I think it’s the bend of the pipe and/or the setting of the ziss air stone. One last thing does the pipe at the bend area get flattened at all? Edited September 14, 2021 by Brandon p 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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