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On 10/5/2021 at 10:42 PM, Hobbit said:

They’re looking good! I have a few platys with zig-zagged spines and I’m debating bringing them to the LFS when I sell their siblings and offering them for free. Not sure if it’s better to offer them or just cull them early.

I know how hard it can be to both nurture life and cull / prune. The psychological issue is anthropomorphism of our fish. In other words, we tend to grant them rights that we grant people. For example, I would never dream of depriving a person a full and meaningful life on account of some genetically deleterious trait. And, the thinking can go, likewise fish should have the same respect and honor. But there is a major problem here: if we really respect fish, we wouldn’t take them out of nature and cage them in glass boxes for our pleasure in the first place. Plus, in the wild, the weak just do not survive. So, I think it is right to keep weak, damaged, and sick fish from stores.

Animals should be treated with care and respect, but they are not people. And though we are akin biologically, people should not be treated like mere animals. 

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I agree—I don’t think there’s anything wrong with culling fish that have less than ideal genetics. I also know that with some traits, like a bent spine, we have no way of knowing how much pain or discomfort that fish is in. Plus, we don’t have control over whether someone breeds those fish (in my case at least—it wouldn’t be hard to breed a platy by accident 😄). On the flip side, I know some people enjoy keeping fish with special needs, and I think that’s wonderful! Just like the kitten with a gimpy leg tugs on the heartstrings, some people feel the same way about fish, and if there’s a chance that fish could live a happy life with someone, why not give it the chance? I think it all depends on what the store wants to do. Do they want to display the “imperfect” fish with their healthy stock, or do they already have a separate tank to display those types of fish, or do they not want them in their store at all? I saw one fish store with an adopt-a-fish program for their special needs fish, and it was adorable and honestly a great PR move. I just need to ask my LFS what they want.

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On 10/6/2021 at 7:56 AM, Hobbit said:

I agree—I don’t think there’s anything wrong with culling fish that have less than ideal genetics. I also know that with some traits, like a bent spine, we have no way of knowing how much pain or discomfort that fish is in. Plus, we don’t have control over whether someone breeds those fish (in my case at least—it wouldn’t be hard to breed a platy by accident 😄). On the flip side, I know some people enjoy keeping fish with special needs, and I think that’s wonderful! Just like the kitten with a gimpy leg tugs on the heartstrings, some people feel the same way about fish, and if there’s a chance that fish could live a happy life with someone, why not give it the chance? I think it all depends on what the store wants to do. Do they want to display the “imperfect” fish with their healthy stock, or do they already have a separate tank to display those types of fish, or do they not want them in their store at all? I saw one fish store with an adopt-a-fish program for their special needs fish, and it was adorable and honestly a great PR move. I just need to ask my LFS what they want.

This is an excellent point! Thanks for sharing. I’ve often kept fish with birth defects for a full and enjoyable lifetime. It would be nice to see a store consider this too. 

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The word I was searching for here by the end of this video was “carotenoid.” Foods high in carotenoids tend to yield a red / pink / orange / gold hue to fish. Xtreme Krill flakes, BBS, Vibra Bites, Bug Bites Color-Enhancing Flakes, etc. All have a tendency to trigger a color-casting on certain animals. For example… Flamingos are born white. But from eating the carotenoid-rich foods from marine and estuary environments, their feathers turn pink.

So, part of my rambling here in this video is a consideration of why these Rams look like they’ve got an orange / gold filter on them. Part of the reason, I suspect, is their mother. I think she was spawned from a cross between a normal GBR, and a 50/50 Gold/Normal cross. Those Gold Ram genetics are drawn out in these fry. However, I do feed them a diet rich in carotenoids. So… the causes are varied. Furthermore, in a few months, we will better see their full genetic display.

 

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I really like your journal. After I move and can install an ro unit i'm going to try breeding some gold rams. I dread feeding the frys since my understanding is newly hatched bbs is too large and i don't want to muck with microworms but i'll see how it goes.

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It’s great to follow along through the breeding cycle and see long term care. Your always so informative and sharing the little details of what it takes to care for GBRs. 
now that I’ve learned how to control my water parameters better I think I’m ready to give them another try. I haven’t had success the last two times I’ve tried. And I know for sure following this thread has help in a major way. 
I want to thank you and possibly we could find a way when I’m ready (after New Years) to get some of your rams to Indiana? 

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These guys are definitely nearing selling size, age, and coloration..,

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I’m liking the second-lobe long, curved dorsal extensions on the males, along with the red-orange fin edging…

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I’ve been feeding a lot of quality frozen foods. Fed them some tubifex and omega-3 packed frozen brine shrimp…

There’s a female or two in here that are real pink-bellied heartthrobs. I can’t seem to get a good shot of them. It’s like that episode of Seinfeld when Jerry dates a girl who looks great under certain lighting, but scary in other lighting 😂

Here’s who I’m trying to photograph…

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Back left here…

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“She moves in mysterious ways…”

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Stunning , that first male so many speckles. And the definition is crazy, a perfect specimen to show why I fell in love with GBRs. The females with them pink bellies they look amazing as well. Great work, such excellent care. It has been so exciting following along on this journal. The way you present all your projects is always an interesting follow.

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