JoefishGofish Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I’ll try to keep it simple this time. Day by Day photo journal to figure this out. Any help or comments much appreciated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 The Spawn 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Day 1 The Egg Collection 24 hours later. Approximately 200 - 400 eggs. About 1/3 are clear and empty. The rest are translucent brownish coloured. They are in a clean 2.5 gallon tank. 1 drop Methylene Blue, Airstone and RO water. I’ve noticed a couple of Planaria amongst the eggs. I will try and get them out but nearly impossible. 400 + eggs on closer look. Edited April 21, 2021 by JoefishGofish Added pic 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 I could have left the egg collecting container in another full day because the Shiners fired up again and have dropped at least another 100 eggs in the past hour in a container I just plopped in the tank! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celly Rasbora Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Those are some beautiful fish! Best wishes breeding them! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Eggs are starting to clump together. @WhitecloudDynasty does this still look good? They aren’t moving around in the flow. Just settled in that one area.....? I’ll have another 150-200 eggs tomorrow morning for a second 2.5 gallon tank with airstone too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, JoefishGofish said: Eggs are starting to clump together. @WhitecloudDynasty does this still look good? They aren’t moving around in the flow. Just settled in that one area.....? I’ll have another 150-200 eggs tomorrow morning for a second 2.5 gallon tank with airstone too. Looks fine...sometime all of mine look all fungal up but still all hatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick_G Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Great thread and beautiful fish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 Well they are definitely all fungusy. But are beginning to hatch in the past few hours. A couple dozen so far. I am keeping them in the dark wrapped in black cloth. Air stone on low. I am slowly removing water and adding RO water to remove Methylene Blue. 2nd batch of eggs is one day behind and not clumped together...yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 My two 2.5 gallon tanks. In darkness, which is hard to do in a basement veggie gro-op.... 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric R Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 @JoefishGofishfollowing intently and wishing you luck! Thanks for documenting your process, as well as failures/successes so completely. I really enjoy these beautiful native fish and hope to have the chance to keep and breed them one day, so please keep documenting your results! I'm hoping that some day I will make good use of them. And in the meantime, I can at least live a bit vicariously! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 Thanks for the good wishes. This is at least attempt #7 with successful egg collection and I continue to hope for the best. But with only 2 living fry from batches earlier on I try not to get emotionally invested. Just excited each time there are eggs to coax along. This is a window into the notes I’ve kept in terms of spawning cycles I got better at creating places for the fish to spawn and easier to collect the eggs November 29-spawn-no collection December 21 - spawn + 30 eggs January 3 - spawn + no collection January 17 - spawn - 100 eggs February 1 - spawn - 40 eggs 3 - 50 eggs February 6 - 20+ eggs w/tails in tumbler February 17 - spawn March 5 - spawn - no eggs deposited in containers March 19 - spawn - no eggs deposited in containers April 6-7 spawn - collection 48 hrs later lots of detritus Approx 200 eggs 1 drop Meth Blue About 100- 150 swimming April 10 (Present) April 20-21 spawn 400 + eggs. 2 spawning days each 400 + eggs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 The eggs laid on 21st, harvested on 22nd hatching on 23rd From the blob of eggs...... I’ll count them in the morning. Keep hatching!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 hours ago, JoefishGofish said: The eggs laid on 21st, harvested on 22nd hatching on 23rd From the blob of eggs...... I’ll count them in the morning. Keep hatching!! Did it fungal up? Maybe add more Methylane blue next time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 My measurement (1 drop) of Methylene was crude at best. I dipped a chopstick in the Meth and dripped it into the first tank. Fearful of adding too much I removed about half of it (the dye is so easily traceable as it descends into the water..) The second harvest of eggs received closer to a full drop or more. The results speak for themselves. Tank #1 the eggs grew fungus quickly and balled up. There are at least 100 fry hatched as of this morning Tank #2 which had more Meth added and is more Blue in colour. Eggs are spread out and lying flat on the bottom. They should start hatching today. Very curious to count and compare. I’ve done partial water changes on both. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celly Rasbora Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 I removed that blob from tank #1. It was full of dead fry. They likely got trapped in that fungus. Tank #2 eggs have lots of flicking tails inside but none hatched yet. Not all clumped together either so hopefully a good yield. Stay Tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 Tank #1. Approx 100-150 fry? Tank #2. Approx 200-300 fry? (can’t seem to orient pic right side up) @WhitecloudDynasty your tips so far have proven my best hatch rate yet. I still feel like I’m going to crash and burn. But there is really nothing to do for these guys until they are free swimming and able to take food. Another 5 days or so.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, JoefishGofish said: Tank #1. Approx 100-150 fry? Tank #2. Approx 200-300 fry? (can’t seem to orient pic right side up) @WhitecloudDynasty your tips so far have proven my best hatch rate yet. I still feel like I’m going to crash and burn. But there is really nothing to do for these guys until they are free swimming and able to take food. Another 5 days or so.... I'm glad its working for you...You'll have 1000s soon lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 I lost an adult female 2 weeks ago. Pineconing, gasping etc. Now there’s a second older female pineconing amd gasping. they are the largest and oldest. Maybe 2 years old. just fresh clean rain water for my water changes....... I look forward to having 1000’s. believe it when I see it!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 My female normally only last 3 year, and when they get to 3 year they look bad. Got a male going onto 4 now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) So Day #7 Tank #1 I would guess 50-75 fry remain. Tank #2 I’m guessing 100-125 fry remain. So hard to count. They have eyes and some fish body structure to them. Swimming is kinda like darting around and then falling to the bottom. The next thing is to move them out to a bigger tank with actual filtration and plants and leave them for a year or so until I can put them outdoors in my summer pond? Or leave them a week or so longer and start water changes? The water has been a touch cloudy today....? They would go into a heavily planted 75G with some Black Neocardina shrimp and 5 Blue Neon Loaches. I just moved the Gold White Clouds out to the pond for the summer I would lose track of them in here but imagine it to be a great environment to grow up in....? Any thoughts or suggestions would be helpful There may be early spawning activity ramping up with the adults. Subtle colour changes and increased activity. My basement is warmer by several degrees and the tanks are up to 69F Edited April 27, 2021 by JoefishGofish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I would remove the airstone..its creating current so the fry have to work harder. Normally I dump mine into their grow out aquarium with the sponge filter turn way down. Ill turn the filter back up 1 month from after. Wait till they are free swimming then you'll really see how many fry you got. I bet its alot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoefishGofish Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 So what if I dump them into the grow out tank now? low flow, low light. Shall I do it or leave them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitecloudDynasty Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, JoefishGofish said: So what if I dump them into the grow out tank now? low flow, low light. Shall I do it or leave them? Yes dump them all..and worry about them after they are free swimming 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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